• PugJesus@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    “So we’re going to take up violent action then, right?”

    “Oh, God, no, we’re just going to sit here and sneer at those who are trying to change the system without violence, or without enough violence.”

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      The problem with violent action is that, to have a chance to succeed, you need a critical mass of support. Not like 50% or anything, but enough that you can’t be easily quelled. The only way you build that support is by suggesting violent resistance to people who scoff at you and accuse you of being unserious until the last straw finally breaks their back and you don’t sound so ridiculous anymore.

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        Oh, like, idk, say… 3% of the population or something?

        Crazy how fast one can start sounding just like the people they oppose, isn’t it?

        That being said, those sorts of people are well organized, international, willing to commit violence, dramatically outnumber any counter-groups, and have made serious and dramatic inroads into not just political discourse but into politics itself.

        In terms of violent revolutionaries, there are a lot of them, they’re well armed, they’re fairly well-connected and organized, they’ve managed to recruit across all classes, especially the working classes, and they’re definitely not leftist.

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          Drawing a parallel between violent revolution of oppressed people and virulently racist bigots because they also use percentages to decribe a thing is asinine. Fuck.off.

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            Probably shouldn’t be doing the same thing that they’re doing then huh

            You cannot call them evil then do the exact same thing but YOU are just because YOU think so. They’ll tell you that exact same thing.

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              In order to be doing the “same thing” I would have to be suggesting violence as a means to establish a white ethnostate, dipshit.

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              Evil people also eat food, just like you do. Is that why they’re evil? Obviously not. The thing that makes them evil is their motives.

              Fighting someone to help people and fighting someone to oppress someone are both fighting, but one is for good and one is for evil.

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              you’re fucking clueless. this isn’t about moral high grounds. this is about solutions that prevent untold amounts of suffering because the idiotic half of the population was allowed to operate unchecked.

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                Seems like you’re the clueless one if you think I don’t know that, but also violence is bad and wrong and you’re bad and wrong for supporting it. You’re just as bad as the rest.

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      Violence is a top-tier solution for lower ranked cognition, where the notion of “hit thing” is a quality solution toward the final stages of attempted problem-solving. Fortunately, people in this situation tend to share the side effect of apathy, so managing to pull together enough “hit thing” people into an organised cohort rarely occurs, or fizzles shortly after take off.

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        “Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent.”

        OTOH, here we are.

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        When “lower ranked cognition” people have established themselves as the rulers, you have to communicate in the only language they understand. They will not give up the power they’re abusing otherwise.