Reminder that getting control of the house and senate could make stuff like this potentially get through

This proposal is not only one that expands the number of justices over time but alter things like the court’s shadow docket, require justices to release tax returns, and more

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    Requiring the HIGHEST JUSTICES in the Country to NOT take Bribes from Defendants or Plaintiffs depending on the case is DEEP STATE WOKE SOCIALISM!

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      DO allow them to go through a lengthy process, complete with a mountain of precise paperwork, and a committee chosen by their peers, on both sides of the aisle, to accept any form of donation.

      Why?

      Cause they’re gonna find a way anyway. That or literally just give them excellent benefits that basically equal the recent Thomas bullshit.

      Basically I’m searching for other ways to reduce these issues to a minimum long term.

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        Most of the fix should be much simpler. Pay them each $600k, indexed to inflation.

        That should make them pretty resistant to bribery. Your quality of life really doesn’t improve much past that $600k point, even if you’re maintaining two houses. (And the justices aren’t representatives. They don’t need a second house.)

        But yes, their tax returns should be public as well.

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          Yes but once you make that much, then amassing more money turns into a game of how you can fuck over the most people to increase your value. See: every billionaire in existance.

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            When all your planes come back with bullet holes at points A, B, and C, where should you add additional armor?

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                Billionaires are a subset where they’ve already self-selected for extreme greed. Hopefully Supreme Court justices would be closer to a normal population.

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          Our recent experience with Trump should have made it painfully clear that rich people can be bribed too.

          So no, we don’t need to pay them more. We need to send them to jail if the accept bribes. And the law that enables that should be passed with a note that it is not subject to judicial review by the Supreme Court.

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    We can also ask for term limits and other structural things that require a Constitutional Amendment, but we need to do this first.

    Then, after passing the law, go to Republicans and say “There! We undid your fucking up of the courts. You have a choice now: either work with us on a constitutional amendment to help us fundamentally restructure the Court and make is less political, or watch us appoint all these Liberal judges to lifetime appointments and you roll the dice on getting control of the Presidency and both houses of Congress to re-fuck it at some nebulous point in the future”.

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      Are we going to pretend they’re not just going to jump to the latter without feigning an attempt to do the prior?

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        You need a supermajority of states to ratify an amendment, and there is no reason for Republican-led states to back any amendment that will reform the current court. But add six young liberal justices with lifetime tenure, and now they will go out of their way to pass an amendment to term-limit the,.

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          So this time the Dems will get it together to put 6 judges into an expanded court?

          That would be so much better than the zero which is their average output.

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    and require two-thirds of the Supreme Court and federal circuit courts of appeals to overturn any law passed by Congress

    Netanyahu would be proud.

    Was Ron Wyden not usually one of the few forces for good in relation to internet bills, like SOPA and such? Now he’s proposing something like this.

    The other things mentioned in the article are unobjectionable, some of them even good, but this?!

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    Sounds good to me but:

    One of the three co-equal branches (Executive, Legislative, Judicial) limiting another can’t last without popular appeal or a Constitutional Amendment.

    Even trying to explain that to the average U.S. voter is a lot.

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      The idea that one branch limiting another requires “popular appeal or a Constitutional Amendment” is a bit misleading. The Constitution already provides the Legislative Branch with various checks on the Judiciary. For example, Article III, Section 1 gives Congress the authority to structure the federal judiciary and set the number of Supreme Court Justices. Congress has used this power in the past to both expand and contract the size of the Court (changing the number of justices in the 1800s). This can happen without an amendment or mass public support.

      Wyden’s proposal to expand the Supreme Court to 15 justices over 12 years is another example of using these constitutional mechanisms. The proposal also includes measures to increase transparency, such as requiring a supermajority to overturn acts of Congress, automatic Senate calendar placement for stalled nominations, and stricter financial disclosures for justices. None of these steps require changing the Constitution; they rely on existing legislative powers.

      Explaining this to the average voter might be challenging, but the fact remains: Congress has the constitutional authority to regulate the judiciary, even if it’s not commonly exercised or well understood. Wyden’s bill seeks to use those powers to restore trust and transparency in the Court without needing a constitutional amendment.

      So, the checks and balances already exist – it’s a matter of political will and the legislative process, not necessarily popular appeal or constitutional change.

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        The idea that one branch limiting another requires “popular appeal or a Constitutional Amendment” is a bit misleading.

        No, it’s plainly incorrect. I was able to come up with three or four counterexamples immediately, and I’m no kind of Constitutional lawyer.

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        anything Congress does can just as easily be repealed by Congress.

        requiring a supermajority to overturn acts of Congress, automatic Senate calendar placement for stalled nominations,

        I’m all for it, hope it goes well. because if it doesn’t, this is a fast track to shit

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      Doesn’t the Supreme Court limit the powers of the house and the presidency, like, a lot?

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        It rules on whether Consitutionally stated powers and their limits apply to specific executive acts and legislation. So yes.

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        The 250 year old document establishing the government makes everything clear as mud, but outside of eating mud pies, I am not an expert.

        Edit I got some meaty responses, look to that

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      The Constitution lists a number of checks and balances that don’t require a Constitutional amendment. “Last without popular appeal” is just an assumption that we live in a democracy, it’s true of all government actions in that case, and so is almost tautological.

      For example, presidential vetoes are used frequently, limiting the power of the Legislative branch, and not requiring a Constitutional Amendment. Same goes for the advise-and-consent powers that the Legislative branch can exercise over presidential appointments. There are plenty more.

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    Silly. Democrats want to change something because it’s not fitting THEIR agendas…