Well no, its actual fact (as far as currently publicly known). These were not magical devices that only exploded if a terrorist held them. These were devices in the hands of everyone because they were sold and distributed to everyone and they exploded in crowded cities, in stores, wherever they were at the time. We already know for a fact that multiple innocents were killed and just by understanding how an explosive works, we know that even if the devices were held by militants, there would always be more collateral than targeted damage when they explode in the middle of a city. This is simply how the IDF operates, the moral judgement for that you can make yourself.
As a side note, according to the NYT the shell company that made these bombs for israel also sold them to lots of other people. Ofcourse they claim that those ones didnt contain any explosives but we just kind of have to believe that.
These were devices in the hands of everyone because they were sold and distributed to everyone and they exploded in crowded cities, in stores, wherever they were at the time.
If you seriously think that the thousands of wounded are all innocent people then you have not paid any attention to how this whole thing unfolded. They didn’t just blindly sabotage pagers that were sold in stores. Pagers were specifically used by Hezbollah, and Israel caught wind of them ordering replacements, which they managed to intercept. They weren’t pagers distributed to “everyone”, like among innocent civilians that are unrelated to the group.
We already know for a fact that multiple innocents were killed…
“Multiple” - out of the thousands of exploded pagers the casualty rate itself is fairly low since you can only pack so much explosives into a small device like a pager. The majority of “casualties” are severely wounded Hezbollah operatives. You can see in videos that civilians who stand next to the explosives often did not even get wounded because the explosion is so small. That’s why the death rate is actually this low, despite the many hits.
This is simply how the IDF operates, the moral judgement for that you can make yourself.
This wasn’t done by the IDF. Really shows your competency on this field and how much we should value your input on those matters.
As a side note, according to the NYT the shell company that made these bombs for israel also sold them to lots of other people. Ofcourse they claim that those ones didnt contain any explosives but we just kind of have to believe that.
Until those also explode we probably can - but you wouldn’t believe it anyway because “Israel bad”. That’s your whole agenda.
I’m really sorry, but I’m not sympathising with anyone, but this method of attack is straight up terrorism, and you’d be agreeing if it had been perpetrated by al queda, Hezbollah or Hamas, and was a Pandora’s box of future terrorism that the western world will now have to live with.
Acknowledging that some actions are terrible and unacceptable even when they are being done by ‘our own side’ is a decent society is able to do.
If terrorists wanted to do this, while having the capabilities to do so, they would have done so already. This is probably the dumbest argument made in this entire thread so far, congrats.
Narcissistic much? I give 0 fucks about you. But keep telling yourself whatever you want to believe about me, just like you do about what happens in that region.
Because you’re the one who got triggered by me pointing out that there’s too many terrorist simps here. You’ve shown your face and now you’re trying to hide it. That’s why you resort to all sorts of projections now.
Sure, but two out of 2762? Big whoop. That’s a minuscule collateral as far as war goes, much less than what would be the result of air strikes like in Gaza.
It was two out of twelve deaths, and 276 wounded. And that’s not an act of war, Israel is not at war with Lebanon. That’s just state sponsored terrorism.
There’s way too many Hezbollah & Hamas sympathizers on here.
Found the idiot that likes conflating an entire people with its most extreme groups.
Ad hominem. And no, I don’t conflate anything here.
You not so indirectly called me a hezbollah/hamas sympathizer. You dont get to cry ad hominem.
Yeah, because you’re a terrorist simp who spreads terrorist propaganda.
I assume you are just trolling but could you point out which part of what i wrote is “propaganda”?
Or are you one of those “alternative facts” people?
https://fedia.io/m/creepywikipedia@lemmy.world/t/1219390/2024-Lebanon-pager-explosions-12-people-are-killed-and-more/comment/7383312#entry-comment-7383312
Literally “alternative facts”.
Well no, its actual fact (as far as currently publicly known). These were not magical devices that only exploded if a terrorist held them. These were devices in the hands of everyone because they were sold and distributed to everyone and they exploded in crowded cities, in stores, wherever they were at the time. We already know for a fact that multiple innocents were killed and just by understanding how an explosive works, we know that even if the devices were held by militants, there would always be more collateral than targeted damage when they explode in the middle of a city. This is simply how the IDF operates, the moral judgement for that you can make yourself.
As a side note, according to the NYT the shell company that made these bombs for israel also sold them to lots of other people. Ofcourse they claim that those ones didnt contain any explosives but we just kind of have to believe that.
If you seriously think that the thousands of wounded are all innocent people then you have not paid any attention to how this whole thing unfolded. They didn’t just blindly sabotage pagers that were sold in stores. Pagers were specifically used by Hezbollah, and Israel caught wind of them ordering replacements, which they managed to intercept. They weren’t pagers distributed to “everyone”, like among innocent civilians that are unrelated to the group.
“Multiple” - out of the thousands of exploded pagers the casualty rate itself is fairly low since you can only pack so much explosives into a small device like a pager. The majority of “casualties” are severely wounded Hezbollah operatives. You can see in videos that civilians who stand next to the explosives often did not even get wounded because the explosion is so small. That’s why the death rate is actually this low, despite the many hits.
This wasn’t done by the IDF. Really shows your competency on this field and how much we should value your input on those matters.
Until those also explode we probably can - but you wouldn’t believe it anyway because “Israel bad”. That’s your whole agenda.
I’m really sorry, but I’m not sympathising with anyone, but this method of attack is straight up terrorism, and you’d be agreeing if it had been perpetrated by al queda, Hezbollah or Hamas, and was a Pandora’s box of future terrorism that the western world will now have to live with.
Acknowledging that some actions are terrible and unacceptable even when they are being done by ‘our own side’ is a decent society is able to do.
Yeah, because they target innocent civilians. Maybe understand the difference in targets. You people are literal terrorist simps.
But it will be done by those groups now. Because Israel opened this tactic up.
If terrorists wanted to do this, while having the capabilities to do so, they would have done so already. This is probably the dumbest argument made in this entire thread so far, congrats.
Come back to me when it happens.
You and Oliver Cromwell would’ve gotten along well.
Ok, because to care for civilians we have to support terrorists ignoring the fact that bombing people with pagers is quite literally terrorism.
Oh give me a break. You only care because it was Israel who did it. Where were you complaining about Hezbollah attacking civilians?
What are you basing that on aside from your fragile fragile feelings.
I have before, check the profile dipshit.
Fragile feelings? lmao
You’re acting on your feelings about me alone, uninformed ones at that and you’re clearly quite fragile, so yes fragile feelings.
Narcissistic much? I give 0 fucks about you. But keep telling yourself whatever you want to believe about me, just like you do about what happens in that region.
Then why the fuck you try to tell me my position when you can even be bothered to find out yourself.
Get fucked troll.
Because you’re the one who got triggered by me pointing out that there’s too many terrorist simps here. You’ve shown your face and now you’re trying to hide it. That’s why you resort to all sorts of projections now.
He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.
The kids that died from that shit were Hamas/Hezbollah
Yes, they hit literally thousands of kids with pagers.
Well they killed two of them, that’s two too many. If you want to assassinate someone, make sure you kill the target and not innocents.
Sure, but two out of 2762? Big whoop. That’s a minuscule collateral as far as war goes, much less than what would be the result of air strikes like in Gaza.
It was two out of twelve deaths, and 276 wounded. And that’s not an act of war, Israel is not at war with Lebanon. That’s just state sponsored terrorism.
And they accuse me of conflating Lebanon with Hezbollah… lol
The explosions happened in Lebanon and Syria, both of which are sovereign states and not at war with Israel.
If that boy could read he’d be real offended.
Which both host terrorist groups that frequently attack Israel.
If it’s your kid you’d care.
If it was Israeli kids you wouldn’t care.
I would mostly because Israelis don’t support the war, Zionists do which are the minority in the country, not the majority.
But thanks for trying!
Uh-huh.