Because not showing up to a propaganda war is a serious tactical loss that can and does have strategic implications on the outcome of the election.
We are fighting the fucking fascists, dude. No quarter can or should be given. We are not polite to fascists. We do not respect fascists. We do not offer aid to fascists. We harm them whenever and wherever we reasonably can, because they’re fucking doing that to the rest of us as a matter of their ideology. We do not extend an assumption of good faith. We punch them in the face and kick them when they’re down.
The only - and I do mean ONLY - exception is when a fascist says “I want to get out, I don’t want to be a fascist any more”. Help those people. They are trying to escape. They are returning to sanity. The rest MUST be regarded as a lost cause, because that’s the ideology they’re supporting.
This is not a point I will ever compromise on.
If this comment gets me a ban for inciting violence, I’m ok with that. I’ll ride it out. But YOU: do not come here and sympathy troll for fascists. That is not going to fucking fly.
Haha. Sympathy troll? I hope you don’t get banned because you’re entertaining. I guess saying not to do the same thing shitty people do and to rise above it is me giving them sympathy? You got some wires crossed. You’re what I consider a left radical. And don’t misunderstand. I’m a left-leaning libertarian. We are one of the weirdest groups on the left. Like expecting personal freedoms in a social government. I get it’s odd, but you are saying that the only way to win is to troll the trolls. What does that accomplish besides vilifying us further down the road instead of continuing to let Trump’s GOP continue to implode.
And if people do decide that they feel their side is wrong and switch to the other side, it is fine. However (through experience), you are the only person I’ve interacted with who has said that. So with all evidence that I have seen you are minority in that belief. Everyone else has absolute condemnation in their mind
My political identity, if I had to put a name to it, would probably be closest to “Scandinavian Socialist”, but there’s a fair bit of nuance that doesn’t quite match up. For instance: I’m a strong proponent of right to privacy, but I fully disagree that personal freedoms are incompatible with socialism. They’re orthogonal, most of the time, and when they do intersect, reasonable governments (see: scandanavian socialism) do try to find the least onerous balance that preserves the common good, while restricting personal rights as lightly as possible. Its government. It’s not perfect, it’s not going to ever be perfect, and there are TONS of interrelated, often contradictory goals that they must balance. But from what I’ve read and seen, it does seem like that system often gets a pretty positive result in a very broad swath of categories.
Anyways: I’m not talking about trolls, or “shitty people”, in general. I’m talking about fascist trolls - the most important component of that term being fascist. I’m perfectly happy to ignore or mess with garden-variety trolls, but the fascism flavored ones are different - particularly because they’re having a distressing amount of success all over the world these days in getting into power. If someone judges me for being shitty to a fascist, I’m going not only not care about their opinion, but also judge them for being sympathetic to a fascist. Fascism is a special and exceptional case, and different rules apply when dealing with it.
Unfortunately there’s no version of politics without gaming. Merit is clearly not enough to win alone, however I do believe all things being equal the participants with stronger merit are more resilient against the games.
Don’t stoop to their level
Stoop lower and fucking destroy them
Dig a pit below their levels so they’ll fall in it, then fill the pit.
Put some lava there. Knowing them, they’re probably digging straight down.
Bruh. “They go low, we go high” gave us fucking Trump. That strategy didn’t work. We are not trying it again in a nearly identical context.
And if you start a brigading campaign against them, it’ll just be used to raise their platform.
They do this anyways
Then why prove them right?
Because not showing up to a propaganda war is a serious tactical loss that can and does have strategic implications on the outcome of the election.
We are fighting the fucking fascists, dude. No quarter can or should be given. We are not polite to fascists. We do not respect fascists. We do not offer aid to fascists. We harm them whenever and wherever we reasonably can, because they’re fucking doing that to the rest of us as a matter of their ideology. We do not extend an assumption of good faith. We punch them in the face and kick them when they’re down.
The only - and I do mean ONLY - exception is when a fascist says “I want to get out, I don’t want to be a fascist any more”. Help those people. They are trying to escape. They are returning to sanity. The rest MUST be regarded as a lost cause, because that’s the ideology they’re supporting.
This is not a point I will ever compromise on.
If this comment gets me a ban for inciting violence, I’m ok with that. I’ll ride it out. But YOU: do not come here and sympathy troll for fascists. That is not going to fucking fly.
Haha. Sympathy troll? I hope you don’t get banned because you’re entertaining. I guess saying not to do the same thing shitty people do and to rise above it is me giving them sympathy? You got some wires crossed. You’re what I consider a left radical. And don’t misunderstand. I’m a left-leaning libertarian. We are one of the weirdest groups on the left. Like expecting personal freedoms in a social government. I get it’s odd, but you are saying that the only way to win is to troll the trolls. What does that accomplish besides vilifying us further down the road instead of continuing to let Trump’s GOP continue to implode.
And if people do decide that they feel their side is wrong and switch to the other side, it is fine. However (through experience), you are the only person I’ve interacted with who has said that. So with all evidence that I have seen you are minority in that belief. Everyone else has absolute condemnation in their mind
lol I’m really not a “left radical”.
My political identity, if I had to put a name to it, would probably be closest to “Scandinavian Socialist”, but there’s a fair bit of nuance that doesn’t quite match up. For instance: I’m a strong proponent of right to privacy, but I fully disagree that personal freedoms are incompatible with socialism. They’re orthogonal, most of the time, and when they do intersect, reasonable governments (see: scandanavian socialism) do try to find the least onerous balance that preserves the common good, while restricting personal rights as lightly as possible. Its government. It’s not perfect, it’s not going to ever be perfect, and there are TONS of interrelated, often contradictory goals that they must balance. But from what I’ve read and seen, it does seem like that system often gets a pretty positive result in a very broad swath of categories.
Anyways: I’m not talking about trolls, or “shitty people”, in general. I’m talking about fascist trolls - the most important component of that term being fascist. I’m perfectly happy to ignore or mess with garden-variety trolls, but the fascism flavored ones are different - particularly because they’re having a distressing amount of success all over the world these days in getting into power. If someone judges me for being shitty to a fascist, I’m going not only not care about their opinion, but also judge them for being sympathetic to a fascist. Fascism is a special and exceptional case, and different rules apply when dealing with it.
I will look up Scandinavian socialism because I’ve never heard of that specifically.
But with that being said, and with all due respect, are you calling me a fascist troll now?
Edit: Read up on it and found that “Scandinavian socialism” is a (this might be bad wording for it) red herring.
https://fee.org/articles/don-t-call-scandinavian-countries-socialist/
https://www.heritage.org/progressivism/commentary/the-myth-scandinavian-socialism
But I’ll continue to research to see that perhaps the sources could potentially be bias
Edit 2: I’ll update with what sources I discover. I will read the articles, but it started with a simple Google search of “Scandinavian Soscialism”
https://www.lifeinnorway.net/scandinavian-socialism/
https://mattbruenig.com/2017/07/28/nordic-socialism-is-realer-than-you-think/
https://catalyst.independent.org/2023/04/18/scandinavian-socialist/
https://bobocheesechimp.medium.com/clearing-up-the-confusion-about-the-nordic-countries-and-socialism-a9c6f884abe3
Edit 3: I’m done. Scandinavian socialism is not real
Because then we also get the benefits of playing the game
The game is pointless imo
Your opinion doesn’t really matter when the game is materially useful in reality.
I know. Just saying I don’t approve. I have no control of what you do
Unfortunately there’s no version of politics without gaming. Merit is clearly not enough to win alone, however I do believe all things being equal the participants with stronger merit are more resilient against the games.