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    But they aren’t separate. Gaza is receiving so much aid from Israel they say they’re running out of places to put it.

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      Yup all of the international reports from NGOs and the UN are wrong. Israel says so, so it must be true right?

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        Yes! They deliberately omit most of the food aid entering Gaza, to deliberately undercount calories per person. That’s not according to Israel; that’s according to the UN itself.

        That’s why the UN has predicted “mass famine” but it never actually happens.

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          Are you talking about where they don’t count the food Isrealis turn around?

          And it very much is happening. It’s happening right now and has been happening for months now.

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            Are you talking about where they don’t count the food Isrealis turn around?

            No, the food that goes in. The UN analysis deliberately excludes up to 70% of the food aid entering over the Israeli border into Gaza. All told it’s 3500 calories per Gazan per day, since Oct 7 - well shy of “famine”, entirely the opposite.

            These figures have been verified by independent observers and by the UN.

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                Except I have the receipts:

                https://x.com/aizenberg55/status/1802704210485473414?s=46

                https://x.com/aizenberg55/status/1802704212461052162?s=46

                https://www.timesofisrael.com/new-study-finds-food-supply-to-gaza-more-than-sufficient-for-populations-needs/

                You’ve been lied to. There is no famine in Gaza, which is why the Ministry of Health there records almost zero malnutrition deaths.

                More people died of malnutrition in Los Angeles since Oct 7 than died of it in Gaza.

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                  Analyzing data from the Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories (COGAT) agency of the Defense Ministry,

                  This is exactly what I said. They are counting the trucks that pass the border. And not accounting for trucks that are turned around inside Gaza by Israeli troops. And your news story study is from the Israeli government. Who is about as trustworthy as a murderer on trial.

                  Oh and the FRC take on the IPC report. But your buddy on twitter was hoping nobody would realize that was just FRC’s response to one report from FEWS. I’m not at all shocked they would present that as evidence of the whole instead of what it actually was. On the IPC website you will find that the people in Gaza have not been getting enough calories since February. Which is probably why countries have been air dropping food.

                  For the Northern governorates, the FRC finds the risk of Famine to be plausible based on the assumptions set by the analysis team. A high risk of Famine persists as long as conflict continues, and humanitarian access is restricted. The speed of deterioration observed in previous months, compounded by the increased vulnerability of the population after more than eight months of inadequate dietary intake, WASH and health conditions, increase the probability that Famine could occur during the projection period.

                  IPC report link

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                    And not accounting for trucks that are turned around inside Gaza by Israeli troops.

                    That’s zero trucks. IDF troops can’t and don’t make aid trucks turn around once they’re in Gaza. They don’t get the chance - the aid warehouses are all just beyond the border crossing.

                    If an aid truck is turned back, due to the unlawful presence of dual-use items in the shipment, then it is turned around at the checkpoint, not in Gaza, and isn’t included here.

                    And your news story study is from the Israeli government. Who is about as trustworthy as a murderer on trial.

                    I disagree with that. The Israeli government is more credible than the Hamas government of Gaza, and in any case here’s another study proving that the UN’s conclusion of famine is based on ignoring huge amounts of aid:

                    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4851635

                    On the IPC website you will find that the people in Gaza have not been getting enough calories since February.

                    But they have been - the IPC study was totally refuted by the UN’s own research. The FRC’s conclusions aren’t supported by even their own data.