The upvote system is way too rudimentary to work efficiently. The upvote incite people to post to become more popular, not to post more interesting content.

One metric is not enough, the upvote system combines both “funny” and “interesting” in the same metric. Soon it’s the funny content that is pushed to the top, because it’s a more common characteristic. But this is how you get memes, emotional and basic screenshot of tweets to the top of the frontpage. And this is probably what you don’t want.

So either we add more type of votes,for example two arrows, like an arrow “interesting” and another arrow “funny” or we get rid of them, leaving only the “report” button.

Get rid of reputation too. Some people are already chain downvoting in rage. What good do you think will happen out of a reputation score? People will just spit on you. People are emotional, don’t put a gun in their hands.

“The downvote is useful to get rid of antivaxx”? You have a report button for that. And while the downvote button gets rid of antivaxx, it pushes memes to the top, destroying the platform itself. The benefit of the downvote button doesn’t compensate for the flaws of the voting system.

The best way for an antivaxx to get his content visible? It is to get blocked! If he is blocked he cannot be downvoted anymore afaik. So it’s all good for him. Even the block system doesn’t really work as intended and has nasty side effects. Because yes, you won’t see it, but other will, and they will adhere, and they will upvote and post more antivaxx stuff, and inspire more antivaxx people.

And I’m not even starting with the bots and scripting systems, which will detect who downvoted you and will “revenge downvote” for you. Do you want all your post to appear with a starting minus 5 attached to it because you posted about veganism 3 months ago? That’s what you will get. All it takes is 5 people who don’t like the way you talk, and a script. And all your posts will go down the drain as soon as you post them.

--> The system need either higher granularity or we need to get rid of the voting system, and keep only one button: “report”, with a mandatory 60 characters comment with it. <–

  • PabloDiscobar@kbin.socialOP
    02·
    1 year ago

    I don’t downvote you on sight only anything I disagree with.

    You disagree -> you downvote. This is exactly the problem here.

    edit:

    Yes I upvote my own comment. I think that’s a sane default kbin should have along with notifications on.

    You try to boost your score, everyone can see it, almost no one else do that. Have you tried not upvoting yourself?

    You make these great thread titles but how you further express your ideas isn’t great.

    I got good feedback from people who are interested on the topic. Too bad spectators like you are only here to downvote in disagreement, not giving any input.

    I strongly suggest that you block me. That’s what the function is designed for.

    • RandoMcGuvins@kbin.social
      2·
      1 year ago

      Too bad spectators like you are only here to downvote in disagreement, not giving any input.

      A downvote is an input to the conversation, that’s the point of the downvote. Not everyone wants to write an essay or argue with someone. Also what’s the point of reiterating someone’s else point, that’s what the upvote is for.

      You try to boost your score, everyone can see it, almost no one else do that. Have you tried not upvoting yourself?

      Was my last comment boosted? You replied within ~10mins. But you’re not wrong upvoting your own comment is a reddit hangover of having your own post automatically self upvoted. I still think it’s a sane default. It’s not about boosting my comments for visibility and rep points. Why would I upvote the only comment on a comment chain for visibility? If I was concerned about rep points, I would be commenting and posting more.

      You almost always post/coment with an antagonistic approach. You’re also so abrasive with how you communicate that it almost asks people “verbally” spar with you. I’m not just talking about this thread.

      I think, I understand that you see all of this just as a conversation. I also respect that you don’t downvote other people’s comment that you disagree with. But dam everytime I see you, you’re almost asking anyone to argue with you.

      Edit: still learning how to format properly.

        • RandoMcGuvins@kbin.social
          3·
          1 year ago

          Is that what you want, a conversation to end with a block? I thought this whole post and your further comments have been about active vs passive engagement.

          I don’t think you’ve said anything that deserves a block. I disagree with what you’ve said and how you’ve said it. However, not once have you personally attacked or insulted me.

          Edit: grammar

        • fruitywelsh
          2·
          1 year ago

          Blocking is normally reserved for users and content that are so offensive that they ruin the entire UX not just because you dislike the current opinion they are saying.

          Votes also give people a metric to see how currently popular an idea is to those reading it. This useful in seeing whether engaging to try and change other people’s minds or whether it’s just arguing the position people already agree with.