I think a little clarification is needed. No. I don’t actually think everyone there is insane. I don’t care about the bans so stop trying to use that. HB enthusiasts coming here and trying to call me out achieves nothing besides proving my point

Edit: Feel free to keep trying to brigade me. It’s not going to scare me to take this down

  • Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
    11·
    3 months ago

    Classifying parts of religion you don’t like because you have to “combat terrorism” and assimilate your colonized population… where have I heard that one before…

    Or you know, altering the building in a way it doesn’t crash on its worshipers i.e. renovating.

    And making it look like a classic Chinese temple instead of an Uyghur one? Cultural preservation in full force.

    You haven’t addressed even how the language and cultural practices aren’t banned.

    Wearing a long beard? Terrorism!

    I’ve also seen a few independent Youtubers who visited Xinjiang and were specifically told they were not allowed to fly their drones in that area contrary to the rest of China and the area was very heavily guarded. Example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHxzLogzqkU&t=2167s

    • carl_marks[use name]
      2·
      3 months ago

      Classifying parts of religion you don’t like because you have to “combat terrorism” and assimilate your colonized population… where have I heard that one before…

      Condoning radical parts of religion because forbidding them reminds of the cultural genocide that’s happening at home

      And making it look like a classic Chinese temple instead of an Uyghur one? Cultural preservation in full force.

      Imagine the headlines if left alone and the collapsing building kills a worshiper

      Wearing a long beard? Terrorism!

      The less radical Imam not falling into the western narrative in the video you linked to says that no religious repression is happening and denies that beards are banned. BBC provides no evidence and just points at a random ripped paper and says beards are banned because it says so there lol Instead you link me a video showing me how it even contradicts yourself. How do you like the timestamp, where the youtuber “sees 4-5 mosques just walking around the city center” and concludes “you can’t say that there aren’t any mosques here”. Which he concludes the same thing again further down the video you posted. https://youtu.be/dHxzLogzqkU?feature=shared&t=2085

      How do you not see the contradiction, that you say cultural genocide, yet you can see arabic written all over the buildings in your own provided link? Poor guy couldnt fly his drone over the mosque. Have you tried flying a drone over a synagogue in any western country?

      At least read the context I provided you earlier https://www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang

      • Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
        11·
        3 months ago

        The less radical Imam not falling into the western narrative in the video you linked to says that no religious repression is happening and denies that beards are banned.

        everyone just randomly “quit because there’s jobs now” that makes total sense. And everyone cut their beards too just for fun. Let’s read your link and find out

        https://www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang

        This is from your link:

        I believe this is the full document

        Beards:

        Your link wants to reference article 14 which focuses on re-education but the preceding one doesn’t look great.

        So to summarize, according to your link the ‘comeback’ to Chinese law classifying people with beards as extremists… Is not that it’s not happening but that ‘they will be taught the correct beliefs’.

        where the youtuber “sees 4-5 mosques just walking around the city center” and concludes “you can’t say that there aren’t any mosques here

        Yes there are. The heavy military guarding around the area is what’s very noteworthy. If there’s a lot of dudes with guns arresting people who practice their religion that will intimidate people into not practicing it. Combine this with the knowledge of the “vocational camps” and it’s pretty obvious there’s something fishy going on.This is what I mean with gradual crackdown on religion.

        The excuse that there’s still mosques flies about as well as saying Algeria still has mosques so France didn’t do cultural Genocide there. The CCP has been pretty open about wanting to crack down on religion as the Xi statement about Maxrism (also 2017 what a coincidence) suggested.

        The BadEmpanada analysis video on Xinjiang was the best I have seen so far. Especially this testimony in which the “coerced acting” of China is pretty well highlighted

        • carl_marks[use name]
          11·
          3 months ago

          You have to prove cultural genocide is happening, not the ban of beards. Put your efford there.

          Yes there are. The heavy military guarding around the area is what’s very noteworthy.

          Heavily militarized synagogues in western countries means that it’s with the knowledge of “the genocide in palestine” and pretty obvious there’s something fishy going on. This is what I mean with gradual crackdown on religion. Sorry I cannot take you serious here.

          Your link wants to reference article 14 which focuses on re-education but the preceding one doesn’t look great

          What’s your approach on how to deal with people that go stabbing people around them and are supported by your geopolitical rival?

          BadEmpanada A single testimony

          I’m going to take you even less serious now and choose not to continue this conversation anymore.

          • Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
            11·
            3 months ago

            You have to prove cultural genocide is happening, not the ban of beards. Put your efford there.

            You were the one claiming there was no beard ban because it’s a “vague piece of paper on a door”,

            Another argument debunked another goalpost moved.

            There’s multiple testimonies in the video you obviously didn’t watch. Of course it also includes the visits to the concentration camps which very clearly exist and are very real.

            Far too much evidence to deny there’s nothing going on so a great point for you to pretend that the person which just spent time reading your worthless links is now ‘not serious’.

            So now I have had three conversations with people denying the Uyghur Genocide and proceeding to ditch when presented with evidence.

            • carl_marks[use name]
              11·
              3 months ago

              Another argument debunked another goalpost moved.

              You haven’t addressed how you can see arabic everywhere, uyghur being an official language, and that there’s a shitton of mosques there and how it constitutes cultural genocide. If you culture is to stab people, then fuck your culture.

              Far too much evidence to deny

              Far little context taken into account

              the person which just spent time reading your worthless links is now ‘not serious’.

              No because if youd have looked at the “worthless” link you’d know that the primary sources BE provides are contextualized there already.

              • Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
                11·
                3 months ago

                You haven’t addressed how you can see arabic everywhere, uyghur being an official language, and that there’s a shitton of mosques there and how it constitutes cultural genocide. If you culture is to stab people, then fuck your culture.

                I did you even acknowledged the example of banning beards but then pretend like you weren’t given evidence.

                No because if youd have looked at the “worthless” link you’d know that the primary sources BE provides are contextualized there already.

                No there aren’t. They are just mentioned and then waived away with some non-sequitur that only people who don’t actually read it believe solves the issue.

                I can confidently say you did not read or verify the material you linked because instead of denying the Genocide it just does a very poor attempt at justifying it.

                • carl_marks[use name]
                  11·
                  3 months ago

                  I did you even acknowledged the example of banning beards but then pretend like you weren’t given evidence.

                  I acknowledged it, by telling you to focus on proving cultural genocide in the first place. No, targeting bearded people that espouse violent Muslim interpretations of Islam in order to “correct” their beliefs to non violent interpretation does not constitute cultural genocide (even if wasnt fully informed on the targeting of ideologically violent bearded people. That maybe constituting racial profiling, but not cultural genocide)

                  No there aren’t.

                  There are like this source BE uses https://medium.com/@sunfeiyang/breaking-down-the-bbcs-visit-to-hotan-xinjiang-e284934a7aab

                  denying the Genocide

                  Nothing to deny. You haven’t proved it.

                  • Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
                    11·
                    3 months ago

                    No, targeting bearded people that espouse violent Muslim interpretations of Islam in order to “correct” their beliefs to non violent interpretation does not constitute cultural genocide

                    Imagine unironically calling everyone with a beard a knife stabbing terrorist to justify a Genocide. You are no better than the average Zionist.