I’ve always seen it how can you lose votes that were never yours. Green Voters aren’t Dems so they aren’t losing anything. Same with Libertarian voters aren’t the GOP. Not to mention Harris self said “I want to earn support.” Then made her intentions pretty clear where she stands currently on Gaza and other issues. It is on her.
“Swinging the election” means taking away enough votes from one candidate or the other to make them lose.
Your average Green voter would vote for Harris over Trump given no other choice.
Your average Libertarian voter would vote for Trump over Harris given no other choice.
So let’s see how that worked out:
2020:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election_in_Georgia
Democratic - Joe Biden - 2,473,633 - 49.47%
Republican - Donald Trump - 2,461,854 - 49.24%
Libertarian - Jo Jorgensen - 62,229 - 1.24%
Green - Howie Hawkins - 1,013 - 0.02%In Georgia, the Greens are a rounding error. They have zero impact on the election.
The Libertarians though, check that out… Trump lost by 11,779 votes. That means if just 18.93% of those who voted Libertarian had voted Trump instead, he would have won.
2016:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election_in_Georgia
Republican - Donald Trump - 2,089,104 - 50.38%
Democratic - Hillary Clinton - 1,877,963 - 45.29%
Libertarian - Gary Johnson - 125,306 - 3.02%
Independent - Evan McMullin - 13,138 - 0.32%
Green - Jill Stein - 7,736 - 0.19%Clinton lost by 211,141. Even if you added up all the “also ran” candidates, 146,180 votes, that would not have been enough to swing the election to her.
Your average Green voter would vote for Harris over Trump given no other choice.
That is not true, we would just as soon stay home. Democrats are as close to what we want in government as republicans are to you.
Thank you for saying this! Finally someone who gets it and tells the truth!
Great points and well said!
To save you all some time:
I posted an article that’s already widely available on a much bigger platform than Lemmy. I didn’t write it or create the content. It’s already out there for anyone to see, so all I did was share it here for discussion. If you disagree with the article itself, that’s fine, but calling for it to be censored or accusing me of pushing an agenda simply because it’s not what you want to read is misguided and lazy. Open debate requires different perspectives, not shutting down content you don’t like.
It’s not my job to convince you that I’m not a Republican, that I don’t live in Russia, or that despite posting hundreds of socialist articles to the socialist community, I’m somehow not a socialist. If that’s what you want to believe, cool, then go ahead and think that. Not my problem. :)
If you’re getting worked up over a news article I didn’t even write, that’s on you. Be mad if you want, but I’m under no obligation to prove anything to you. I’ll share my opinion, and you can take it or leave it. Either way, not my problem.
In the past, when I’ve tried to defend myself, people accuse me of not listening. If I stay quiet, they take it as guilt.
Here’s the deal: I’m still going to post what I want in this community because what I’m posting fits within the theme and guidelines of this community which celebrates diversity of thought and opinion.
So, go ahead and expect me to copy and paste this comment into the many, many arguments you’re going to try and start. Whether you believe me or not, I don’t have to prove anything to you. I’ll share my opinion, and you can take it or leave it. Not my problem. :)
This is a political news article posted to a political news community, not one exclusively for pro-Harris or strictly pro-Democrat content. If you feel it doesn’t fit the guidelines, feel free to reach out to the mods. They do an awesome job managing this community.
But they are probably very tired of getting multiple people reporting that I’m a russian bot or a troll farm employee, so give them a break. I’m just a guy who doesn’t have the same opinion as you all, so please chill. :)
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