I can’t find any working mastodon instances for porn except adult.18plus.social but i need to pay a fee… i̵ ̵n̵e̵e̵d̵ ̵f̵r̵e̵e̵ ̵o̵n̵e̵s̵.̵. (EDITED: SORRY) Actually there used to be Sinblr, Humblr, and others… but they all shut down for some weird reason I don’t understand… WHAT HAPPENED?
Let’s see if we can put the context clues together.
All of the free ones were shut down. Only the paid one survived.
Well, I can only assume, but since fediverse services are hosted by real humans and not corporations, I’m going to go out on a limb and say they couldn’t afford to stay afloat.
Another alternative is that requiring payment is a simple way to ensure that the people using your service are also 18+, since it requires a sign in form, acknowledgement, and then credit card. That helps when the feds come knocking on your door asking why you’re letting minors into your service.
It’s also the only real good method of KYC for when the feds come knocking on your door asking why you’re letting people who are posting pictures of minors onto your service, and asking-but-not-really who they are.
I love the fediverse, but there are a ton of whiny entitled people here who don’t understand that regular people are hosting these things with their own money and time. I do host my own Lemmy instance, and it’s been one of the most stressful things in my life. I never thought I’d have to register with the federal government as a mandatory CSAM reporter but here I fucking am. Then they go around and say “I need free ones”. The fuck you do. If you need free porn and shit go host it yourself, you can have your house raided by the feds for hosting stuff that isn’t okay.
100%. The risks of running fedi-services that veer off SFW content is immense in a lot of places.
The really terrifying thing that people misunderstand because TV drama is that the feds knocking at your front door is the last step of an investigation, not the first.
If the FBI is knocking on your door wanting to talk about illegal content you’re hosting, they’ve ALREADY served warrants/subpoenas to your hosting providers and ISP and anyone else they think might have useful data, had a PRTT on you for a while watching everything you do online, and have had a prosecutor decide you’re someone that they want to prosecute and lock the fuck up.
They’re there to see if they can scare you into saying something against your interests, and could maybe change their mind if you can explain what’s going on in a way that’s protected. Of course, they’re much more reasonable than local cops, but seriously: the FBI at your door is the last stop BEFORE you end up in federal prison for the next decade.
and all I wanted was to host a community about Taylor Swift, and yet here we are.
Those alphabet boys are making all our lives a bit too nerve wracking…
Is it not possible to have the hosting done by a company off-site? Is it a cost thing? Or is it that you didn’t know how deep the rabbit hole of complexity goes?
Sounds to me like it’d be easier to just hire some company and say “You do it.” I would never want the hassle of it being “in my house”.
I did, as soon as I learned about the CSAM I moved to the cloud. I like hosting myself, but that moves a possible seizure of assets from my house to my cloud account. Still, I’m sure coming to my house isn’t out of the question.
Ok i understand now… thank you for your effortful reply…
Ok i understand now thank you for your effortful reply
Porn is often really high traffic, which is expensive to run. But a lot of people are weirdos too and tend to push it to the border of legality, which can be challenging for admins if your users keep posting lolis even if it’s not allowed. And they’ll scream at you “it’s not technically illegal”.
The other thing people do a lot with porn is post stuff from sketchy sources or repost paid content for free stealing from OnlyFans pages and the big porn studios. And lately, AI generated porn of non-consenting celebrities. And of course now the increasing pressure to make sure to keep minors out or heaven forbid they’re shown trans porn.
It’s expensive to store all that porn, it’s insanely expensive to distribute it, you need lawyers on standby for the firehose of DMCA reports, you need a solid team of moderators scrubbing the site as fast as possible for CSAM, or run AI tools that needs a lot of fast hardware to run at any decent speed (you need to analyze every frame of a video, for example).
It’s just expensive as fuck overall and that’s why a lot of the porn sites have the sketchiest ads ever, and that’s because you can’t run regular ads as most advertisers don’t want to be shown next to questionable content.
On the fediverse you have the added challenge that ideally, you scrub things before they get federated due to federation bugs. Or you risk being defederated which you probably will anyway as most admins just don’t want to deal with it.
Ok i understand now thank you for your effortful reply
The other thing people do a lot with porn is post stuff from sketchy sources or repost paid content for free stealing from OnlyFans pages and the big porn studios.
And they’re doing gods work!
From a user’s perspective, yes, but as an instance admin that’s also a DMCA nightmare.
That’s a great example of the eternal fight between mods and users that ultimately drives admins away: users feel entitled to post that stuff, and mods have to take it down. The user is anonymous and possibly from a country with very lax laws, so they’re protected. The admins have to pay for the servers with real money and their real identity, and thus also an easy target for lawyers.
There are a few, but they’re usually defederated. Lots of weird porn on the remaining ones that isn’t acceptable even with the tags and auto blurring enabled.
Hosting images and video is really expensive. That’s why large Lemmy instances often lower the file size limit for media uploaded to them. Combine that with the moderation pressure NSFW content requires, and you’re left with very few options.
If you’re willing to do the moderation and think you can keep abuse to a minimum, you’re free to set one up yourself. You can learn to set up a server or rent server space with various companies dedicated to Mastodon. Do make sure you read up on laws regarding child abuse material, though, and make sure you know what IP ranges to ban if you live in a country with laws regarding porn access or are within legal reach of one (China, the UK, the USA). Also make sure to be ready to moderate kinky shit people will upload (including, but not limited to, rape role play, stuff involving various types of bodily fluids, gore, stuff involving real or imaginary animals) and make sure you have a list of what you do and don’t allow so you can block and ban without hesitation.
I wouldn’t want to run a server like that. The folks are lemmynsfw seem to be willing, so maybe take a peek at the rules and moderation style there if you’re planning on hosting something like that.
Ok … i understand now …… thanks for your explanation … I appreciate it … :)
i need free ones
i need free ones
If i had that extra money I would pay , honest…
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That’s a Nostr relay, nothing to do with the Fediverse.
Are these relays similar to fediverse instances?
Yup. Pretty much the same thing but on a different network.
Exactly! To say it’s very right wing would be an understatement.
Run your own.
Moons OP
That doin’ anything for ya?
