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Trump asked Bibi to CONTINUE THE GENOCIDE FOR HIS POLITICAL GAIN but you’re not concerned by that unfortunate tidbit. No siree.
You’re saying ambassador Linda Thomas-Greenfield in this post works for Trump?
I thought you guys hate whataboutism.
Only when used for dnc/dems criticism apparently
I say Trump is a horrible piece of shit interfering in peace talks, and y’all hear a defense of Biden. Sad and weird.
Because it’s a whataboutism in response to the current un ambassador.
The whataboutism was bringing up the UN ambassador in the first place. My original comment that they replied to had no mention of the UN or ambassadors.
I thought we’re all anti genocide. Guess I’m wrong.
Then why are you defending the people perpetrating a genocide?
I’d love for you to cite where I’ve defended genocide.
You’re changing the subject when people bring up Democrats doing it by bringing up Trump even though Biden has been the one enabling it for the last 10 months. And you’re arguing with other people trying to criticize the enablers of the genocide elsewhere in this thread.
So, no example then. Just don’t like what I’m sayin’? Texas-sized 10.4 lil buddy.
P.S. Dems aren’t torpedoing the talks. Trump is.
Damn, Trump isn’t even elected but got to decide UN security council vetoes.
Damn, Trump is a private citizen that’s interfering with peace negotiations for personal gain.
“Here’s some bombs. Please, try real fucking hard to not use them on civilians” is somehow worse than “KEEP THE KILLING GOING! I NEED IT TO FUCK WITH THE BLUE GUYS!”
Are you actually arguing that giving weapons that you know have been used to bomb kids before while asking not to do it is somehow different than just giving them anyway?
Are you arguing that continuing a tenuous political relationship with a longtime ally is somehow worse than encouraging said ally to continue killing civilians?
They already are bombing children l. How exactly could it get any worse because red team is in charge?
Jeez, that’s a train of thought I’d rather not consider.
But this is bombing children with the pretext of guardrails. If the R’s take it, then even the illusion of brakes are out the window. Gaza is bye bye then.
They are owner-class puppets pushing for more forever wars for natural resources and profits, while the working class continues to die.
“They got money for wars, but can’t feed the poor”[1]
[1] 2Pac - Keep Ya Head Up | https://youtu.be/SHVzWMFMH6Y ↩︎
You’re acting like that was her personal decision and not an order she had to follow rather than her personal view
Could she have resigned instead?
Sure. And just like when people did it in the trump admin, the people you disagree with would just appoint someone who agrees with them.
She wasn’t working at a concentration camp…
Would you rather have someone as pro-Iseael as Biden?
How do you think that would have actually helped anything?
Legitimately, spell it out for me how her being replaced would have benefited anyone.
She wasn’t working at a concentration camp…
She’s literally getting paid to cover up repercussions for a concentration camp.
Legitimately, spell it out for me how her being replaced would have benefited anyone.
If enough people don’t follow orders the orders cannot be followed.
The moral fallacy is the assumption that if she rejects the orders the system can continue turning. If a few people reject orders they can be replaced. If enough people reject orders the system falls apart. Just like a worker strike.
Bidens replacement is all the evidence needed that I’m right. He got trashed in the polls and then trashed IRL.
If enough people don’t follow orders the orders cannot be followed.
Which matters when it takes a lot of people…
This is a one position job that can be easily replaced with someone much much worse.
I’m sorry man. I’ve tried to explain stuff to you a lot to help, but it just never seems to work. I’m just going to stop trying, best of luck.
Not sure what you’ve tried to help me with.
Here’s a picture of a lot of people following orders. Because hey, they can easily be replaced.
And just like when people did it in the trump admin, the people you disagree with would just appoint someone who agrees with them.
Then let those people be the piece of shit. This isn’t an excuse.
If she had a problem with it, she wouldn’t have been put into that role. If your boss wants you to do something unethical, you should either resign or speak up against it. Anything else is full complicity.
If your boss wants you to do something unethical, you should either resign or speak up against it. Anything else is full complicity.
You don’t remember the last admin?
Shit got worse when people resigned and were replaced by worse people…
Did you miss all of that?
If everyone that wants to do the right thing resigns and are replaced by people willing to do anything, the net result is the admin gets worse while retaining all the same power.
Sometimes you have to do all the good you can do, or choose to do nothing at all.
That’s just life…
So you think that Biden will replace her with someone who will be in more in favor of genocide? Why do you insist on holding the Democrats to such a low bar, rather than getting them to do something beyond just “not be Republicans”?
So you think that Biden will replace her with someone who will be in more in favor of genocide?
Absolutely, Biden supports Israel unconditionally and even went around Congress to avoid a delay in a weapons shipment. That violated US and international law and makes him a full on war criminal.
But an ambassader has absolutely no power to do anything about it. They have almost no power really, just a whole bunch of privilege which is why those spots are usually favors.
She can stay and try to do what little good she can and use the platform afforded by her position to advocate for the right thing…
Or she could resign and maybe have a single article written while her replacement would be appointed by Biden.
This ain’t complicated man. But it’s important to understand so if you still have questions I’ll answer them.
So she was just following orders? I wonder where that defense was tried before…
That’s Numberwang!
“Some other people are even more Evil” isn’t the great excuse for evildoing that you seem to think it is.
How did it work when people resigned under trump?
Did it make his admin better?
Or did trump replace them with worse people and do worse shit?
This ain’t a hypothetical, we literally just saw how it plays out…
Your reusing of the exact same argument with different wording doesn’t magically make it a better argument - an honest person judges others on the quality of their actions, and such moral judgment is wholly independent of their tribe.
The “what about those people of that other tribe” is not an argument about the quality of the actions of this person because there is no chain of causality linking them - she is not doing it because the past actions of those others forced her to act like this now. Pulling such unrelated events up is morally dishonest and means you’re a Tribalist first and foremost, hence you are also unethical and immoral as you put tribe-membership above Ethics and Moral when judging such actions.
There is no such thing as being Honest, Ethical or Moral if a person’s Tribe changes your judgement of their actions: the supporting of Genocide by a member of the Democratic Party is not made any less or any more deserving of condemnation by their membership of the Democratic party or by there being members of the Republican party who did or would do the same or worse - the actions speak for themselves, PERIOD.
Yours is the kind of excusing of Evil that makes Zionists go around mass murdering Palestinian children or supporting those who do: they do the Evil they do with such gusto and intensity that it amounts to Genocide and then claim it’s only because of what Hamas did before: i.e. the greater evil done by “my side” they justify with the evil done by “the other side” even though causally the latter does not cause the former - there really is no need to kill tends of thousands of children to get at Hamas.
No matter what their tribe, any person commiting such actions whilst saying such things as this lady deserves exactly the same opprobrium, and that includes this lady. Her tribe and those other people’s tribe is irrelevant for anybody who is an Ethical, Moral and Honest person.
It’s fine man.
You want meaningless actions that dont do anything except good people losing power.
I want people in power to do everything they can with that power to stop a genocide.
We just disagree.
I pity you for living in a system were you don’t have a real choice and to salve your conscience have to finding excuses to justify some evildoing over other evildoing so that you can feel that the incredibly narrow and highly managed “choice” you have is a real choice rather than meaningless theatre.
I would hope that if I myself was in that situation, my reaction wouldn’t be to rush out in defense of the evildoing of the “side” I chose when the nature of their actions is pointed out but instead just shut up - just because one has a “choice” of A, which will shaft you, or B which will shaft you, doesn’t mean one has to like it or rush out in defense of a specific kind of shafting by pointing out that “yeah, but those other guys will shaft you too” when somebody points out that it is, indeed, a shafting.
Nobody can be blamed for the conditions they were born into, but they certainly can for how they reacted to it.
You do get that the comment you’re replying to was using the Trump administration as an analog for what could happen in the Biden one, right? You do understand that?
It’s a second order variant of the same logic:
- The original was: responding to a criticism of A doing 1 by saying “yeah but B did 1”
- This one is: “A did 1, because when B did not do 1, B’s boss replaced them with somebody that did 1”.
Instead of “whatabout those other guys” it’s “whatabout what those other guys’ boss did when those other guys didn’t want to do what this one just did”.
Whilst it’s more convoluted, it’s still whataboutism because there is no causal relationship between the choices of A and the choices of B’s boss, hence it’s not logical to pull that into the argument about the morality of A’s choices.
This lady had the option to “do evil” and keep getting the benefits she has been getting (money, prestige, career advancement), to leave and not do evil or to stay, not do evil and see how the boss reacts. She chose the option of doing evil. Guess both her own Moral and Ethics as well as her opinion of the boss’ own Moral and Ethics (relevant for choosing or not option #3) defined her choice - one can only expect that she’s a better judge of the boss’ Moral and Ethics than most people in this World.
The whole “I shall do evil lest the boss fire me and replace me with somebody that does Evil” twist is just a variant of what the Nuremberg trials determined to be invalid as an excuse, only this variant is even weaker because it’s about what some other boss did to some other people.
What’s happening over there sucks, it is just fucking awful and noone seems to want tondo anything about. People here arguing that democrats are bad because of this, people trying to call other people hypocrits, arguing that every argument is a fallacy.
The point at the end of the day is genocide is awful, and shame on those supporting it. I’ll take these democrats to task come election time when there’s a better democrat or successful new progressive liberal to take their place. That’s what we do instead of blindly following a party, but this change is gradually and the only way it happens is if trump loses.
The best shot we have is a mixed bag of democrats and there’s no shame in working with what we have. To abstain from voting while waiting for perfection now instead of voting to begin the changes for the future is shortsighted and foolish.
Calling people bad because they’re complicit in Genocide is not a fallacy. It’s the definition of evil. Stop trying to pretend it’s a minor thing.
Never said that, i was pointing out how everyone else here was bickering
Genocide does tend to rile some jimmies. I’d be more worried if it didn’t.
Crocodile tears indeed. It’s interesting that you seem to care so much about the genocide in Gaza, but can’t quite bring yourself to express the slightest concern about the illegal and vicious Russian invasion of Ukraine. Are innocent Palestinians worth caring about, but not innocent Ukrainians? According to your post history, you are in fact generally supportive of Putin’s actions in Ukraine. If you only oppose genocidal acts in which the US supplies weapons, but handwave away a literal direct invasion by Russia, then you’re just engaged in partisan propaganda. I don’t think you can be taken seriously as someone who is anti-genocide if you think that it all depends on who is committing the genocide, and/or who is the target.
Mhh some good ole whataboutism and lying.
Where’s the lie? I agree there is some whataboutism, but in this case the hypocrisy of your position is so striking that it needs to be pointed out.
The comment you linked said they support the Netanyahu and thus Genocide in Gaza I’m not sure what you’re even talking about.
The comment I linked to lists a bunch of your problematic comments about Putin and Ukraine, so I didn’t have to repeat them here. But if you insist, here they are again:
- Israel has already killed more civilians in 45 days than Putin during his entirely Ukraine war.
- The west is commiting actual genocide right now. Don’t mis use the word for Putin.
- Ukraine is doing plenty of terrorism against their occupier. Your double standards are showing.
- Reminder that israel had already killed more civilians than Putin did since the start of the Ukraine war. Biden is literally worse than Putin.
- You fuck off genocide apologist. When it came to Ukraine you were all calling for the Russians to assasinate Putin.
- Now that it’s about non white people you’re literally saying you’re gonna vote for the genocide guy. Fucking racist hypocrites.
- The war crimes Russia committed in Bucha pale in comparison to the complete genocide israel is committing right now.
- America is already talking about dropping support for Ukraine.
- Ukraine was just a proxy to exhaust Russian resources with.
- Now that the entire country is in ruin America is going to pull support and leave them for dead like they’ve done with all their other proxies.
- Even the Russians had far greater precision than this when attacking Ukraine.
- You’re in for a treat when you start reading about the Azov brigade. They’ve got literal Nazi’s.
- It’s so sad that all you have is whataboutism isn’t it? And the worst part is that Genocide Joe isn’t even the lesser of evils anymore. He is now the worse evil.
- Genocide Joe is the person able to stop this. Instead he removes all war crime restrictions on the weapons and protects israel with all his power. He is actively committing mass genocide.
- A reminder that Genocide Joe has killed more than twice as many civilians than Putin in Ukraine already.
- Not to mention the amount of children murdered by this barbaric Zio Nazi
- Not to forget Ukraine is slowly getting ditched too so the “world powers” are losing that one as well.
- Israel is like 10000% more genocidal than Russia.
- But anyone not supporting Ukraine with weapons against Russia obviously has to go because that’s very “unfreedom” of them.
- The Kurds welcome Ukraine in joining the long list of groups abandoned and left in ruins by the US after being promised support to fight their enemy as long as needed.
- Biden needs to focus on committing Genocide now. He has no time for Ukrainians beating an invasion. Surely Zeloonsky understands, he unconditionally supports israel’s genocide himself.
Nobody is denying Israel’s genocide, or the war criminal Netanyahu’s culpability. What I am questioning is why you are only concerned about the genocide in Gaza, but when it comes to Russian war crimes, you are happy to make excuses for them. That’s what I find disingenuous. All the excuses you make for Putin are the exact same sort of excuses people use to support Israel’s genocidal actions. It’s a double standard, and it demonstrates that your concern trolling on this topic is motivated more by anti-Western political propaganda than it is about genuine concern over war crimes.
wow you are denying civilian casualties in Gaza i see.
Hmm… weird how yesterday trump reportedly called Netanyahu to ask him to keep blocking any ceasefire until after the election but, and this is the darndest thing, you were completely silent on that. Bombshell story, not a concern for you for some reason.
I’m sure you will be posting about that any second because you’re looking to spread the “truth” right? Just so happens the “truth” normally only ever concerns American politicians if they happen to be Democrats. WHOOPS!
Weird how as the election draws nigh, your attacks on Democrats increase daily and, again, the darndest thing, start every day around 9am in eastern Europe.
Edit: he totally addresses that story below though, guys. Because he totally wants to help Palestinians and definitely doesn’t want them all dead with Trump’s help.
