• KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    4 months ago

    is this globally illegal? Russia has similar human rights violations, the US is one of very few places that has it culturally ingrained into law.

    The middle east is also not generally known for having incredibly high tolerance for such things as human rights.

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      4 months ago

      It’s a violation of international law.

      But also? US law forbids giving military aid to nations that commit crimes against humanity, of which torture is recognized under international law.

      The law doesn’t apply to Israel.

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        im not sure if it doesnt apply to israel, as much as it wouldnt apply to the US more broadly, since we’ve seen this stuff with proxy partners in the past, autralia during the iraq war i believe.

        This seems to be a general theme in the US military going back through recent history with all the democracy spreading wars and what not.

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          4 months ago

          Well, yeah, Israel is the 51st State. The law doesn’t apply to Israel because it doesn’t apply to the US. Even the US’s own laws.

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            i mean, that’s obviously not true. But this is a shitpost so that doesn’t matter.

            Admittance to the union though goes through congress (which also requires a majority vote), which has discretion over that event, so yknow, i’m not certain it would happen. Although if it did that would probably be beneficial because than israel would really have a good reason to stop committing war crimes.

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              What’s not true? That Israel is an extension of the US empire? Or that the law doesn’t apply to these war criminals?

              They can torture and rape Palestinians in their dungeons for fun and there are no consequences, and it’s because they are fundamentally part of the American project.

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                the statehood part, it’s some form of extension of US power projection, but that’s to be expected, every world power does this. Including russia and china. I believe russia runs a really large blood diamond ring, and china, well they do a few things. Natural resource extraction seems to be a big one right now though. The soviet union also did this.

                They can torture and rape Palestinians in their dungeons for fun and there are no consequences, and it’s because they are fundamentally part of the American project.

                that could be happening, but there is also a video of a wagner PMC guy having his head squished gently by a sledgehammer, so uh. Granted we don’t directly provide aid, but we also do have Guantanamo bay still so.

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                  Ugh, okay, obviously it’s not legally a state. No shit. I call it a state to emphasize how integral it is to the US. It’s not just power projection, like the Saudi allies or the Ukrainian allies, it’s a fundamentally important component of the empire. The empire would be drastically different without Israel to act as a bulwark against African migration and unsinkable aircraft carrier to police oil and gas supplies and a laboratory of oppression for border technology and prison technology and surveillance technology.

                  The US values Israel higher than literally every other ally and vassal state put together. If the US somehow had to choose between sacrificing Israel or an actual state like Iowa, they’d happily nuke Iowa to keep Israel.

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                    4 months ago

                    idk that they’d nuke iowa tbh. I think they’d probably nuke israel and then turn it into a US state, but that’s just me. Exercising a little military effort is going to be vastly more popular than literally deleting iowa.