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  • xavier666@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    Musk fans then: finally! We have absolute free speech

    Musk fans now: it’s a private company. He can do whatever he wants

    • pazukaza
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      1 year ago

      Isn’t Twitter’s free speech kinda the same as Fediverse or Reddit’s free speech? Pretty sure if someone says something homophobic or transphobic in here, they’ll get kicked out (which, for me, is good. Keep reading). It’s free speech for the people that align with the admin ideals. I see nothing wrong with it besides the echo chamber effect, but at least people can create spaces where they feel safe.

      Someone could argue “but Lemmy also has right wing instances”. Then just imagine Twitter is a right wing instance of Mastodon that has been defederated. And that’s what the free market is about. The free market is a fediverse and a company is an instance, you can create an instance and put whatever rules you want in it. It’s up to everyone else if they want to use it or federate with it. Twitter just “defederated” Threads. How is that different from a Lemmy instance defederating other instances?

      Is it against free speech when Lemmy admins kick right-wing people or defederated right-wing instances? I think it is against free speech, but I don’t think everyone needs to allow free speech in their home. Go ahead and kick out the people you consider offensive. I believe Lemmy and private companies should have the right to do this.

      I do agree, it’s his company. He can create his own rules. I don’t agree with his rules, so I don’t use the service.

      • I Cast Fist@programming.dev
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        Twitter’s “free speech” rule after the musk takeover was utter hypocrisy and pure bullshit. It was never about “free speech” or, in his own words, “free speech absolutism”. The latter would mean “zero moderation platform”. Wouldn’t take long for it to be nothing but bot posts of scams, hateful shit, pedophilia and snuff. Nobody in their right mind would favor zero moderation. Even fucking chans (4chan, 8chan) have moderation, not even they want to be swamped with even worse shit than they produce.

        In short, musk uses “free speech” as a dog whistle and smoke screen.

        • pazukaza
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          1 year ago

          He’s an asshole and his platform is definetely not 100% free speech. I’m just saying even assholes should have the right to moderate their platforms however they want, obviously in the framework of the law.