Hi all,

I don’t really know how to ask this question. On one of my devices, I downloaded a web browser (Opera) and one of my friends made fun of me, saying that “you better like China knowing all the stuff you do online”.

I read the Opera website and it says it’s a Norwegian company, but on Wikipedia it does say it was bought by a Chinese company.

My question is: what does “China” do with my personal browsing data? Why is it useful for them? (and who are we referring to here, is that the Chinese government, a private company, who?)

I’m looking forward to learn more about digital privacy, but I don’t currently understand the “obviousness” of how it is wrong to use Opera.

I’m a tech enthusiast (hence why I’m here), but I’m cognizant that I have large knowledge gaps in some of these topics.

Thank you in advance.

  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1515·
    3 months ago

    China has state-coordinated schemes to both suppress its own internal population (which may not concern you if you aren’t Chinese and never go to China) and to manipulate people globally (which everyone should be concerned about).

    While it’s true that all countries collect data for the purposes of propaganda, China does so at a scale and with a level of precision and control that pretty much no other country can reach.

    Is there any actual evidence that the Chinese state spends more money or man-hours attempting to collect, analyze, and manipulate public opinion than - say - The NSA? Or, for that matter, Google AdSense?

    You should be trying to limit the amount of data that ANY group gets about you, but some groups will do more nefarious things with it than others. Google for example just wants to advertise to you.

    Firstly, isn’t that the entire threat that this data analysis presents? A malicious actor wants to accrue enough information about you such that they know exactly what to say in order to manipulate your behaviors and beliefs. That’s advertising in a nutshell.

    Secondly, why is the threat of a domestic advertiser somehow less existential than that of a foreign one? Does Sundar Pichai have more of my best interests at heart than Zhang Yiming purely by proximity? Or is this purely a “Chinese people think evil, American people think good, its just in our natures” thing?

    Thirdly, if Chinese investment in American technology is such an existential threat to our freedom of thought and rational action, why is the American military industrial complex so glacially slow in their response? You want me to believe that the Chinese government is brainwashing Americans en mass with their evil TikToks, and we’ve got proof, but we still want to let them keep doing it until November (squarely in the middle of election season) before they’re forced to divest or stop serving content?

    This all just strikes me as xenophobic hysteria, especially given the blaise attitude towards domestic advertisers (oil companies lying about climate change, crypto shills lying about their financial risks, Joe Rogan/Alex Jones types pushing phony nutrition supplements, political mega-donors lying about one another’s platforms, outright scammers just trying to fleece you).

    • EfreetSK@lemmy.world
      106·
      3 months ago

      I’m not a US citizen but I’d say if you don’t like US overthrowing governments all around the world, then you should be double concerned it happening to your country. Those data are really powerfull tool for such thing and they have been used for it in case of Brexit. It’s quite shocking to compare a foreign superpower with an advertising company and put it on the same level.

      • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
        64·
        3 months ago

        It’s quite shocking to compare a foreign superpower with an advertising company

        Glances at Coca Cola, United Fruit, Disney, Ford, and IBM

        Yes, but not for the reasons you imply.

    • Cryophilia@lemmy.world
      78·
      3 months ago

      Is there any actual evidence

      I knew this topic would bring you people out of the woodwork. I’m not interested. Fuck the CCP and its Winnie the Pooh dictator, free Tibet, Taiwan is the real China, Tiananmen Square Tiananmen Square Tiananmen Square.

      Block me or I’ll keep saying forbidden things and your handlers will start to get mad.

        • occhionaut@lemmy.world
          25·
          3 months ago

          Prove you are not some little pink and make 3 bullet points of nothing but criticisms (not constructive, not positive, NEGATIVE criticisms) of the Chinese Communist Party. You wont. You cant!

          • pop
            2·
            3 months ago

            Will you give actual evidence that China’s surveillance is worse than USA if I can say negative things about China?

            • China is a authoritarian country that should be broken up.
            • It should be investigated and sanctioned if found guilty of Uyghur genocide.
            • Fuck Xi and his cronies
            • Free Tibet
            • Free Hongkong

            Do you need more?

            • Cryophilia@lemmy.world
              1·
              3 months ago

              Russian trolls are greatly superior to Chinese ones, because Russian trolls are allowed to criticize their own government and that of their allies. Chinese trolls must support the “China is amazing” narrative, which makes them super easy to spot and call out.

        • Cryophilia@lemmy.world
          27·
          3 months ago

          Mao was an absolute moron who, in addition to the intentional genocide, also accidentally killed tens of millions of his own people by being too stupid to understand ecology.

      • pop
        21·
        3 months ago

        Block me or I’ll keep saying forbidden things and your handlers will start to get mad.

        “I know I’m right and you’re wrong, no matter what the reality is” isn’t the flex you think it is.

        Also go ahead lay everything out here and let’s see if it deters everyone you consider a CCP shill to stop as you’re told by your handlers.

        brainwashed psycho.