• Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    She’s far closer to the right side of history than Biden.

    So which of her policies regarding Israel differs from his?

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            3 months ago

            All we know about Harris’s conversation with Netayahu is what Harris herself said to the press after the meeting, and she didn’t say anything different from what Biden has said.

            And she wasn’t in the meeting where Biden met with Netanyahu.

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        3 months ago

        So she’s totally doing the right thing behind the scenes?

        Yeah, I hear that plenty about Biden.

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          That’s what they’ve said from the beginning of this whole mess. Then they’ve sat back and let Israel do whatever the fuck they want

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          Doing the right thing behind the scenes is the kind of action that lead to the Russian hostage exchange, the satisfaction of the rail worker unions after the railroad strike, the steady increase in student loan relief after SCOTUS shut down the blanket 10k handouts, and the duping of republicans into getting the chips act passed.

          I personally believe in their capacity to do the right thing behind the scenes, just like I believe in the other side’s capacity to do the wrong thing behind the scenes.

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            People who are fine with genocide have no reason to distrust Biden, and no need to see actual daylight between him and Harris. He’s already doing everything centrists want in public.

            And I asked which of her policies differs from Biden’s. Policies are publicly held. Not “Trust me bro it’s totally opposite day behind the scenes.”

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              3 months ago

              “He wants to fix it but he has no leverage”

              That’s their fallback “argument”

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              And I asked which of her policies differs from Biden’s

              I was addressing the comment “I hear that plenty about Biden” and pointing out that the Biden administration has taken action behind the scenes, at least on a number of other issues.

              I also have reason to believe that whatever behind-the-scenes talks are happening concerning Israel are pro-preace, because otherwise the US would be throwing enough military weight behind Israel that Palestine would be finished by now.

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                Nevertheless, there’s no difference in public policy, and “trust me bro” is not an answer to “how do they differ?” because “trust me bro” was the answer when people were upset at Biden for his unconditional support for Netanyahu’s genocide.

                I do not trust Biden, and I do not trust his acolytes when they tell me to trust anyone else. Because his acolytes were all in on genocide and still are.

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                  his unconditional support for Netanyahu’s genocide

                  Biden has not given any “unconditional support for Netanyahu’s genocide”, because again, if that were the case, then Netanyahu’s mission would be over by now

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                    Netanyahu’s mission is to stay in power. Ordering Biden to buy him a genocide is how he’s doing that. I’m not sorry it isn’t happening faster, though you seem to be.

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                    Sitting around and doing nothing (but providing weapons and cash) while Israel kills children looks like unconditional support to me

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                What action has the administration taken? Israel is still killing children in Gaza

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          It was reported on.

          Use a search engine. This thread started with an assertion she’s the same. That’s the assertion to prove.

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              If a concern troll falls in the forest and no one is there to observe it, are they still concerned?

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                If the conversation was actually private then a reporter wouldn’t know about it

                But, assuming such conversation happened, what actions and results have come from it?

                Israel continues to kill children in Gaza without consequence. Netanyahu arrived in the US and was applauded in Congress by (nearly) everyone present (in both parties).

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                  She’s the VP. Other than words, there’s not a lot she even can do.

                  That’s where this lot of concerned people will always “be right” until she actually has power. And all this concern appears targeted to undermine that very outcome.

                  Even if she went full public and said all support would be withdrawn, it wouldn’t be enough because people would want it now.

                  But she’s not even elected let alone president.

                  Did you see what it took to get Biden to drop from the race? He’s even more serious about Israel, I think.

                  There is no “winning” against this new raking of insisting she act as president and I do something. She can’t.

                  Yet.