I don’t think that’s a particularly bad place to draw the line. That’s the bulk of the damage.
The problem is that for non-celebrities catching whether it’s “based on a real person” or not is extremely difficult, and false negatives can genuinely be life changing. Regardless of whether you think people should be more free with their body or whatever “they’re prudes” narrative you want (and eventually it may well be normalized to expect people to see you naked in more than just imagination as technology advances), at the end of the day people are taught to be embarrassed by their bodies and will in many cases be genuinely traumatized even on the less bad end of the spectrum of that kind of behavior*.
*As opposed to sustained harassment and badgering. One time is still very harmful.
I have no shame and don’t care if people fantasize about me or make porn as long as they respect my “no”s for real physical contact.
I am also aware that sometimes, people don’t like you and they go for disproportionate retribution. I would not like to have porn deepfaked of me and it spread around as “she took this of herself, what a slut, fire her/do not hire her.” (I’m not exactly in a position to be able to pick and choose companies who share my values and wouldn’t care what non-hateful activities I might get up to in my off hours, I need to increase my skills so I’m desirable enough to be able to actually reject job offers.) I would also not like people to deepfake me having sex with a child and use a very good AI fake as “proof” I am a pedophile. Such an accusation will stick. And it would feel especially bad because I’m a virgin by choice and don’t desire sexual contact with anyone (I’m asexual), so for me to be painted as someone who would choose a nonconsensual sex act…
I’d be okay with personal use of these images even if they were of me, but the reality is that it’s possible to use this for more than just an innocent masturbation session. There are more ways others’ judgment can affect you than just shame and feelings.
Not to say that it is right to make these images just because I would personally be unbothered if it were me, just trying to also add other ways it can negatively affect people, including people like me who have no shame.
Yeah, you have a lot of example of further towards the “really bad” side of the spectrum.
I just wanted to make the point that even the “mild” end (eg nudes with no sex) has literally caused people to kill themselves because of the way some of society’s pressures push them. Anything you accidentally let through has significant harm potential.
I don’t think that’s a particularly bad place to draw the line. That’s the bulk of the damage.
The problem is that for non-celebrities catching whether it’s “based on a real person” or not is extremely difficult, and false negatives can genuinely be life changing. Regardless of whether you think people should be more free with their body or whatever “they’re prudes” narrative you want (and eventually it may well be normalized to expect people to see you naked in more than just imagination as technology advances), at the end of the day people are taught to be embarrassed by their bodies and will in many cases be genuinely traumatized even on the less bad end of the spectrum of that kind of behavior*.
*As opposed to sustained harassment and badgering. One time is still very harmful.
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Revenge porn is already illegal in a lot of places and I’d be shocked if they didn’t have language in Reddit’s rules against it long before this.
I have no shame and don’t care if people fantasize about me or make porn as long as they respect my “no”s for real physical contact.
I am also aware that sometimes, people don’t like you and they go for disproportionate retribution. I would not like to have porn deepfaked of me and it spread around as “she took this of herself, what a slut, fire her/do not hire her.” (I’m not exactly in a position to be able to pick and choose companies who share my values and wouldn’t care what non-hateful activities I might get up to in my off hours, I need to increase my skills so I’m desirable enough to be able to actually reject job offers.) I would also not like people to deepfake me having sex with a child and use a very good AI fake as “proof” I am a pedophile. Such an accusation will stick. And it would feel especially bad because I’m a virgin by choice and don’t desire sexual contact with anyone (I’m asexual), so for me to be painted as someone who would choose a nonconsensual sex act…
I’d be okay with personal use of these images even if they were of me, but the reality is that it’s possible to use this for more than just an innocent masturbation session. There are more ways others’ judgment can affect you than just shame and feelings.
Not to say that it is right to make these images just because I would personally be unbothered if it were me, just trying to also add other ways it can negatively affect people, including people like me who have no shame.
Yeah, you have a lot of example of further towards the “really bad” side of the spectrum.
I just wanted to make the point that even the “mild” end (eg nudes with no sex) has literally caused people to kill themselves because of the way some of society’s pressures push them. Anything you accidentally let through has significant harm potential.
Agreed.