• Cethin@lemmy.zip
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    4 months ago

    I think you’re misunderstanding the purpose of shame in society, and yes there is a purpose. The goal is to ensure anyone still forming their opinion that these certain opinions are unacceptable in our society. It isn’t to change people’s minds who already have them made up.

    Shame is a useful tool, and saying it should never be employed is throwing away a tool that can shape the future to be better. Sure, we should also try to convince people to hold better opinions as well, but we aren’t really don’t that with this post, are we?

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      4 months ago

      I specifically said some people deserve shame. It’s a lot of words and, tbf, if you didn’t read them all (not an aspersion), I really wouldn’t blame you (promise).

      Shame is useful as a way to divide a group. Sometimes that’s justified. That doesn’t mean that it’s always done prudently.

      Not arguing against it. Arguing against its ubiquity.

      Overall, I’d prefer reasoned argument to innoculate against bad ideas but I dunno that’s always viable.

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        4 months ago

        I think the white people in that image are not representatives of their race, they don’t represent all white people or white Americans. The person making the meme understands that, and many people who saw this image do so as well.

        The disgust people feel at the action of those people is not extended to any random white person. The disgust I feel when I look at that picture is only reserved for anyone who wants to maintain or promote regressive policies or actions. Humanitarian ideals extend to everyone, regardless of race.

        Edit: I think the “pick one” part of this meme you’re referring to is about picking humanity over tribalism, and not white vs black.

        And yes, people should be allowed a chance to self-actualize without the baggage of their grandparents past. I think that’s only fair. The thing about self actualization is that you don’t have the right to self actualize into someone who stomps over the self actualization of others.