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And for what? Is this at all good for humanity? For the Russian people? Fuck war, fuck Putin.
To distract people from the reality that the ruling class is ramping up their efforts to gain authoritarian control in a significantly large number of countries lately.
It’s for conquering Crime a and parts od Ukraine. And as long as they get to keep the land, Putin will be satisfied… and the average russian will trust the propaganda they should be satisfied as well.
I don’t understand how that morally justifies half a million unnecessary deaths.
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Stealing one of the largest countries in Europe seems like a good trade for half a million peasants they obviously don’t give a shit about.
If they’d actually stolen it, sure. But half a million in and they’re still nowhere near achieving that.
At what point do they stop throwing good bodies after bad?
And even if they achieve that they are looking at occupying a country whose people hate them and will do everything to sabotage them.
I mean it is still technically up several million people overall. But then again, over a million people left the country…
Are you implying that just because the population went up it’s not a tragedy that over half a million people have died for no good reason?
Not in the least. The person asked “for what?” About the only positive I could see from a Russian government perspective is an increased population.
That‘s more than Napoleon lost in Russia in one of history‘s most remarkable military blunders. So the Russians can‘t even look back at that fondly anymore. It‘s truly insane.
arguably, Napoleon wasn’t just trying to distract people and empty prisons.
Estimates vary, and that’s the ceiling, given by the Ukrainians. The US estimates about half of that, the BBC estimates about a fifth of that. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War#Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine
Still a staggering number of people whose lives were wasted for Putin’s vanity.
The BBC number cited in that article is for 100k deaths not casualties, which for 4:1 injured to killed ratio would tally with the Ukrainian number.
And a recent report identified 60.000 Russian soldiers that had been killed. If the number of identifiable bodies alone is that high, the Ukrainian numbers are most likely credible.
Remember as well that modern small arms rounds are built to inflict serious injury if they don’t kill you outright - it takes more personnel to evac and care for a wounded soldier (unless you’re doing what Russia is ALLEGEDLY doing and just killing soldiers too injured to fight).
Russia is sending injured soldiers to fight. As evidenced by the appeal videos asking to prevent the practice.
UK intelligence has been more conservative in their figures but not by a significant amount. They often report a milestone within days or a fortnight of Ukraine.
this will never make it to any hexabear subscriber. they’ll just say fake news and shove their sickles up their ass.
I do love that they all claim to hate Putin and the Russian state but only accept sources that paint it in a good light. The AP is apparently biased to them but substacks and Sputnik News are all legit.
It’s about understanding the bias; if a US news source admits to something that reflects negatively on the US, we can assume it’s at least that bad. Same with a Russian source about Russia.
When an American source runs a story that makes Russia look bad, it’s not very credible. Same with Russian sources on America.
In both cases, the actual narrative the article uses its facts to paint should typically be disregarded; the atomic unit of propaganda being emphasis and all.
Except that does not happen. Russian sources that make Russia look good and Ukraine look bad are accepted while the opposite is never the case.
Could it be a sampling bias?
Most communists aren’t going to be too critical of Russia in a discussion with western liberals about Russia’s issues because those liberals only understand those criticisms as “russia bad, therefore imperialism good”. Same with discussing LGBT+ rights in Palestine or Iran without a bunch of context.
Generalize much? No, most of the liberal leaning folk in the discussions did not view imperialism as good and were happy just as happy to be critical of US and EU imperialism as much as they were of Russia’s and China’s.
So here we’re using different definitions of liberalism.
Good for you. People on hexbear label anything outside of Marxism or Maoism liberal…unless it deals with Russia or China.
Oh yeah, the Stalin-apologist communist is definitely an impartial source.
I call them armchair communists. Or, a more insulting term that only a real communist would pick up on, parlor pink.
Those tankies are just as bad as the idiots on far right social sites. There are extremists on both sides and neither deserves to be taken seriously.
And in case people from fringe Lemmies of either side decide to tell me off, our instance defederated you lot so I can’t hear you.
Nobody:
Literally nobody:
Lemmy liberals: FuCkIn TaNkIeS!!!11!!1!!!11!!!one!
See…this is what confuses me about Lemmy.
When TV was a new concept, there was no internet, so they had TV Guide. It was your guide to knowing what was happening, at what time.
On Lemmy, we need an Instance Guide. To be able to have a wiki that explains what each instance’s personality is.
Hexbear.net & lemmygrad.ml - communist wackos. Block for your own sanity because sometimes you first read the comment before checking who wrote it.
How do you block instances that show up in the all feed? I’m doing this wrong.
I’m using the eternity client.
I don’t know that app, I’m using Sync. But you can do it even via the website. Click your
avatar > settings > blockstab.
How many days did Putin say they would be in Kyiv by again?
It’s only day 882 of 3, Russia will win anytime, silly westoid!
I heard, they recently conquered a village*.
/* village totally destroyed, more than 100 own people died, the area of the largest country of the planet grew by 0.0001%
That means that basically everyone in Russia now personally knows someone who got killed or injured in the war.
If they were evenly distributed.
Huge chunk of the soldiers are men from remote villages lured with a huge payout in comparison to local wages, and who lack the information to figure out the truth about the real casualties as they aren’t spoken about in the Russian media.
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I feel like Russians posting that this is obviously false, implies to me this is actually correct.
Phew banned 56 minutes after account creation - congratulations, gospodin!
Fake news
A thought provoking rebuttal, thank you.
We live in a world where propaganda is everywhere. What does it matter who has the most victims if the sources are manipulated by both sides? The Nazis were broadcasting proclamations of victory by radio thanks to new secret weapons ready to annihilate the enemies… while the Russians were at the gates of Berlin. There is propaganda in peacetime, let alone in wartime. Does anyone remember Iraq’s overwhelming evidence that it had weapons of mass destruction? Well, 10 years later it officially turned out that it was all a hoax to convince the US government and allies to unleash the war against Saddam and seize the oil wells. The counting of the dead only serves to make people of different factions clash and divert from the daily problems of all of us, problems that governments do not solve, instead throwing mountains of money into weapons (money to the weapon producers=money from the weapon lobby for the electoral campaigns)
