• PugJesus@lemmy.world
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    socialists have something to show for in the form of actual progress in the quality of life of its citizens.

    Oh, good, so they didn’t have to go to extreme measures to keep their own citizens from fleeing to the capitalist hellholes of the West?

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      not really

      vietnamese can leave, chinese can and do go everywhere. cubans too.

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        4 months ago

        not really

        Oh, cool, I must have hallucinated all of those emigration restrictions during the Cold War, along with the Berlin Wall and civilians getting machine-gunned for trying to leave their glorious socialist paradise. Silly me.

        Amazing how far fascists will go to deny reality.

        vietnamese can leave,

        Yeah, now they can. You wanna remind me what the most pro-free market country in Asia is?

        chinese can and do go everywhere

        Since the 80s, sure. Before that, not so much. You also wanna remember what happened to China’s economy in the 80s? Something that rhymes with ‘Lengism’? Unless you want to claim China today as socialist, in which case, I have a few hundred People’s Billionaires to sell you.

        cubans too.

        Wanna remind me how Cubans escaped to the US throughout the Cold War and into the modern day?

        Funny enough, you completely missed one of the socialist countries that DIDN’T have ridiculous emigration restrictions during the Cold War, but I guess Yugoslavia just isn’t pure enough for you lot.

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          if we are talking about heavily propagandized policies enacted 100 years ago to try and curb imperialism, we could be talking about all the death bought upon them by the west.

          the us is the very last country that can talk about machine gunnings, because they were the ones sponsoring most of it through all of recent history, including and especially in the socialist countries you seem to hate so hard for… doing just that?

          americans and the brits did full on scorched earth in vietnam and china, and nowadays they have healthcare while you are still shooting up kids in schools. the us sponsored dictatorship throughout my entire continent. literally.

          talk about denying reality. i guess they don’t teach you world history for a reason. nononono everyone else is the fascist here.

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            if we are talking about heavily propagandized policies enacted 100 years ago to try and curb imperialism,

            “You don’t understand, they HAD to gun down people for trying to escape our Socialist Paradise, or else Imperialism would win!”

            Impressive.

            Thanks for being utterly unable to contradict any of the points brought up that disprove your half-hearted attempt to defend the massacres of your favorite fascist states.

            the us is the very last country that can talk about machine gunnings, because they were the ones sponsoring most of it through all of recent history, including and especially in the socialist countries you seem to hate so hard for… doing just that?

            Cool, so you can back up the part where we were supposedly machine-gunning our own citizens to stop them from fleeing this capitalist hellhole, right? Since that was the topic brought up?

            Oh, wait, of course you can’t.

            americans and the brits did full on scorched earth in vietnam and china, and nowadays they have healthcare while you are still shooting up kids in schools.

            Oh, of course, having healthcare now justifies all of your fascist regime’s atrocities. By the way, would you like to elaborate on the economic systems of China and Vietnam in the modern day? You know, now that they have healthcare? Just curious.

            Also, when did the Brits do ‘full on scorched earth’ in China? 1901?

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            He said that the Commie countries had many people wanting to leave, because they were shit holes. Which is true. Soviets broke our economies, killed our innocents (Milada Horáková) and hurt the people. Go to hell sov-tard