• bassomitron@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    This makes me curious in the US on whether or not government app source code would be provided via a FOIA request.

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      4 months ago

      You’d think so, but the answer is no. They’ve employed companies like Microsoft, Oracle, etc. to write up the security handbooks that says proprietary software is more secure. Heck, even electronic voting systems in the US is closed-source.

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        4 months ago

        Security by obscurity the 100% least effective security measure! Wait what? MS left the government knowingly vulnerable for years for the shareholders?! That’s some good security right there!

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          I don’t agree with the generalization here. Sure, it is generally advisable not to rely on security through obscurity, but depending on the use-cases and purpose it can be effective.

          I dislike DRM systems with a passion, but they, especially those for video games like denuvo, can be quite effective, if the purpose is to protect against copying something for a short time until it gets cracked.

          Otherwise I agree that software developed in the open is intrinsically more secure, because it can be verified by everyone.

          However, many business and governments like to have support contracts so want to be able to sue and blame someone else than themselves if something goes wrong. This is in most cases easier with closed source products with a specific legal entity behind it, not a vague and loose developer community or even just a single developer.

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            However, many business and governments like to have support contracts

            What i don’t get is that governments can have their own in-house IT and can moderately large companies and up, so why the blame-shifting game?

            If i’m a customer and your software blows up in my face i will not care that It’s not our fault, it’s our contractors.

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        4 months ago

        Heck, even electronic voting systems in the US is closed-source.

        How can elections even be trusted to be fair in that case?

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          Simply, you can’t. I’m personally all for an open source alternative for electronic voting. I can bank online, but not vote online. I’d trust an open source online voting platform more than I’d trust poll workers to not skew some votes. I’d also like to be able to track my vote and ensure it was cast for the person I voted for.

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            you can’t have secret ballot and have a secure, auditible online vote. One of the problems of social media is it has created enemy lists for authoritarian states.

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              You kind of can. Depends how fully auditable you want, but you can have cryptographically anonymized entries, that (I believe?) could even allow the original voter to track their vote, without enabling anyone else to track the vote back to the voter.

              It’s a different project, but GNU Taler have some interesting work on anonymized but not forgeable money transactions.

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                The issue with online voting, no matter what you do, is that someone can force you under threat of violence to vote for a specific candidate, and watch to make sure you do it. Complete privacy in the voting booth is paramount to ensuring that everyone can vote freely.

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            4 months ago

            Biggest vulnreability for online voting stands behind voter

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          I think we’re well past the open/closed discussion when hackers have repeatedly shown how easy it is to compromise the voting machines.

          We know they’re trash, it’s not theory.

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          4 months ago

          By claiming that everyone who do not trust is communist trumpist

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      Short version: no

      Long version: I’m pretty sure; no. I believe that; tools used like apps would not be subject to FOIA.

      I deal with public records requests at work… email, documents etc. sure thing, but I’m pretty sure that the AG would laugh at you requesting the source code for apps we use.

      —- I could only wish that we were mandated to use only open source software