• solsangraal@lemmy.zip
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    5 months ago

    wouldn’t it be infinitely easier to just make him win, let him croak, and get harris in the job rather than have to start a campaign for her from scratch? within a few months?

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      The assumption here is that you can make him win, which is far from a given. Democrats win when turnout is high, and turnout is high when voters are enthusiastic about their candidate. “Vote for the senile guy! It’s OK, he’s gonna die soon,” isn’t a message that inspires enthusiasm.

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      5 months ago

      That doesn’t give the same click inducing headlines though. Sewing doubt and spreading bullshit, however, drives up their ad revenue. All these so called polling numbers are fucking made up.

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    Brandon has to go. I’ll vote for any D, but it’s clear that his showmanship isn’t cutting it. And let’s be honest with ourselves: the election is about courting fucktard undecideds in just a few states. Substance is ancillary. Thwarting and imprisoning trump must be our primary objective.

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      How does Trump being in prison materially affect working class people? Trump is a symptom, not the cause.

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        Uh, because it shows everyone that criminals get fucked up by the law, even if they’re powerful douchecunts? You know, like what we supposedly stand for in this country?

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          How does that put more food on the table? How does that improve education? How does that improve wages? How does that reduce income inequality? How does that make childcare more attainable? How does that improve infrastructure? How does that make Healthcare more obtainable?

          To say the American’s highest priority should be imprisoning trump just shows how out of touch the democrats are. Individually incarcerating con men is not a strategy that will defeat fascism.

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    This idea is being pushed by Russian propaganda farms.

    It’s main objective is to ensure trump wins. No sane person would want Biden to fold. To do so would absolutely ensure a trump victory

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      I’m not American, but I am sane. Obviously no one with an ounce of empathy wants Trump to get elected, but I don’t know where anyone is pulling these opinions from, other than their gut: that stepping down would ensure a Trump victory, or that staying the course in would ensure a Trump victory, or a Democrat victory for that matter.

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      I mean, what Republicans want is generally just the opposite of what Democrats want, plus some additional cruelty.

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      The Republican side wants to stay silent and not complain about Biden until 2 minutes after he gets the full nomination.

      As soon as he is the locked in as nominee they will be spending hundreds of millions on ads calling him a senile old fool.

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    You are citing an article published by ‘truth out’. If that doesn’t raise a red flag to you I don’t know what to tell you.
    Biden is the current incunbent, so unless you are trying to get Trump to win by posting this, there’s no reason to try to replace biden as candidate so near the election.

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        Don’t put words on my mouth. I said that any site that calls themselves that should raise an eyebrow. And this is advice for you as well, you should pay attention to any site that claims only they have the truth. Reality is often complex and understanding it often requires nuance, so anyone that claims to be able to summarize it into a single truth always has an idea they want to push.

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    So many folks in here immediately jumping to “well Trump does the same thing but worse!” as soon as any question about whether Biden can win is raised, like asking if the candidate will actually appeal to the broadest swath of America is the first step on the slippery slope to becoming authoritarian. When did “Vote Blue no matter who” turn into “Biden is our only hope”? The people questioning Bidens ability to win aren’t thinking about switching their vote off the blue ticket, they’re looking at the data that suggests even with the Democratic base voting blue, it won’t be enough to defeat Trump and are trying to think about how to expand and energize support for Democratic ticket.

    The fact is Biden has been even with Trump in national polls for months and has been losing in swing states. Trump’s base isn’t budging and based on the fact that Biden’s abysmal debate performance didn’t move the needle it’s obvious that the Democratic base isn’t budging either. So the only movement that is going to happen in this race are swing voters and enthusiasm.

    If Biden is going to run, great, I’d love to see him fucking do it! Because if his campaign is gonna be up this once a week, tightly controlled appearance bullshit, he is absolutely going to lose and will moreover drag the house and Senate down with him. If he can’t turn things around, it’s time to let someone else do it.

    It’s true that we’ve never seen a party win that changed candidates this late in the election cycle, but it is equally true that an incumbent president that has an approval rating as low as Biden’s has ever won reelection. If the Democratic party is going to win in November, one of those precedents is going to be broken; people are just trying to figure out which one will be easier to break.

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      It’s both. He was calculating (incorrectly most likely) that he could alienate the anti-genocide part of the party as long as he made up those numbers with independents and conservatives and whoever else. But then his public display of mental collapse meant that he wasn’t scraping together that critical support either, so his support is plummeting across the board.

      Without the pressure from the anti-genocide coalition he might not have ended up in this situation, as most democrats are ready to compromise, just not on killing children.

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      Yeah someone should really take Biden’s ak from him. You know, the one he personally uses to kill innocent people?