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    4 months ago

    The problem is that the state will not ever serve the peoples interest, that power will be taken by the powerful and directed where they want.

    I think your biggest problem is that your dream includes taking away my rights to interact with people as I wish. I want you to have freedom, but you want to take away my freedom. We can run down the various reasons why socialism/communism dont work even in theory, but I dont think that will help you see what the end result would be.

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      As I said my dream is anarchism, which has free association as part of its core. I’m separating that from my idea of how a state should function because states are something we have to live under today.

      Anarchism is compatible with (to put it mildly) communism and socialism. In fact you’d be hard pressed to find anarchists who aren’t those things. And it does not require anyone to be forced into anything.

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        4 months ago

        You said left anarchism which is the communist side of things. The libertarian side has a lot of anarchists, and those are the most famous ones. See Dave Smith and Michael Malice. Communism is the biggest form of government in the end, you have to use force to get people like me to do what you want.

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          You’re very misinformed. All Anarchists are opposed to all forms of oppression and free association is core to left anarchism as well. Communism is not the same as authoritarianism.

          You’ve completely bought the propaganda, I’m sad to say. I encourage you to do research.

          I don’t respect Libertarians for the most part, because they’re individualists for the most part, and they don’t usually oppose capitalism, which an authoritarian economic system

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            4 months ago

            Why would I join you in your communist utopia if I dont want to?

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              Let me leave you with another question seeing as you seem to be a pro capitalist “anarchist”

              Why should workers take orders from dictators? Why is the economy authoritarian and not democratic

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                The only reason someone should take orders from a dicator is if they will die if they dont (or be imprisoned). The economy is not authoritarian, if you dont want to work with me you dont have to. The part that gets authortarian is when the government wont just let you live out in the woods off the land or in some other way. But that is arguably a good thing overall, but could be reduced to allow you to have complete economic freedom.

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                  If you don’t want to work in a capitalist system you don’t have to, you just do if you want to eat or have shelter… You’re so ignorant, willfully so, it’s depressing

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                    4 months ago

                    If we didnt have a capitalist society, where would your food come from? You keep just talking in circles, you need to directly say things.

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              Editing to remove snippy comment. You should just learn about anarchism on your own. You’re asking redundant questions.

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                4 months ago

                I probably know more than you do about communism; what would you do if I didnt agree to join your “utopia”?

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                  You’re a waste of time. You’re not speaking in good faith. Fuck you and have a nice day.

                  Pro-capital anarchism is a joke, your ideology is an oxymoron.

                  You could educate yourself but instead you keep asking the stupidest gotcha question. If you knew anything about communism or anarchism you’d understand that your question is laughable.

                  I’m not going to explain, and you’re welcome to think you’re right, but know that you’re completely ignorant and that’s just sad

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                    4 months ago

                    I love how you cursed at me and then wrong three more paragraphs as though I would read them (hint- I didnt). The issue is that communist is for people that dont have the ability to do well in society.