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    Tbh, a walkable city would also make for nice driving because it would alleviate congestion

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        If you can afford it, downtown Vancouver, BC is hostile to cars.

        Parking surcharges (that specifically fund transit), just a few bridges and a couple main roads in and out of downtown.

        Downtown eastside you got homeless people that give no shits and will cross the road whenever and block cars.

        Downtown westside and all around downtown you have bike lanes, lots of people on bikes and many streets that you can’t continue straight unless you are on a bicycle.

        Central downtown has a transit mall that only buses, taxis and local deliveries can use.

        Most of all you have a Costco that you can get to easier by transit, bike or walking than you can by car.

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          People with trouble walking, service vehicles, delivery trucks, and such are fine. Literally nobody says they shouldn’t get to drive. They also represent like .001% of city traffic.

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          People with most disabilities can’t have driver license. But they have powered wheelchairs.

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            That’s a couple of bad assumptions right there but let’s put aside your narrow conception of what disabled means, you’re still OK with fucking over some disabled people.

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              There are disability adapted bikes that cover a wide range of physical disabilities (I’ve seen up to even only a single arm and head movements). I’m curious what disabilities would actually require exclusively a car for transportation and for which custom bikes wouldn’t be enough, do you know of any ?

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                Bikes require to keep balance. Powered wheelchairs do not.

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                  Yeah, three-wheeled bikes still count as bikes imo, they’re much closer to being bikes than cars.

                  But I have nothing against powered wheelchair obviously, they aren’t cars.

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              Everyone who does not have two good eyes, two arms and at least one leg can’t legaly obtain driver’s licese. Meanwhile powered wheelchair does not have such restrictions. Even person with one working muscle can drive powered wheelchair.

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                That’s a subset of disabled people & people without the use of legs or a arm can drive they just need a vehicle with special controls.powered wheelchairs don’t fulfill all travel needs.

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      adds twelve lanes to my stroad

      One guy needs to move from the far left entrance-lane to the far right exit-lane

      Causes a sixteen car pileup

      Traffic clogged for miles

      This happens a minimum of three days a week

      Guys, cars are just more convenient, you just don’t understand how to take civil engineering seriously.

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        You have entrance lanes on the left‽ 😳

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          Highways are fucking bananas, man. You should check out I-35 through downtown Austin. The designer put these big flying shoulders over the main lane, and it precipitated so many wrecks that the architect of the project killed himself.

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            I’m now reading that the architect suicide is an urban legend.

            Can you show me some coordinates of the worst places there? I’m trying to find the place this redditor talks about, but I can’t find the entrance to the highway on StreetView. 26th isn’t even connected to the highway, so I presume they meant that they started driving from there.

            But yeah, this highway looks horrible.

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      You can see this in the netherlands. Barely any cars on the road compared to germany. I sometimes need to deliver items there for work and it’s so much nicer to drive there. Also you are always punctual because traffic is so predictable.

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      if your in the states chicago has that. City is on a grid system and up to two transfers between bus and trains are free not to mention the fare itself is very reasonable https://www.transitchicago.com/fares/ also bike lanes abound now. You would be hard pressed to find a major street without at least the lines and most expansion now is about protected lanes.

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    This is quite literally what a large stretch of the Ohlone Greenway looks like from Richmond through El Cerrito, Albany, Berkeley, Emeryville, down to Oakland looks like.

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      Well, I can tell you as someone who lives in one that does: cops and other assholes park all over the bike lanes constantly, and idiots walk all over it without looking. So…I’m all for them. But we have to eliminate cops and cars and other idiocy for them to worremoved they should.

      You can read all about it in my upcoming NYT bestseller, Cops and Other Idiots: A Biker’s Guide to Pretending You Didn’t Mean To Run Over That Cop (And Those Other Assholes!)

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      you wish your city had a lot of bike PATHS, it drives me mad that everyone keeps using the term “bike lane” because that very specifically means just painting a line on the road which is TERRIBLE.

      If every bike lane was replaced with a wide sidewalk for both bicycles and pedestrians america would actually be a halfway okay place to live in, that’s the standard here in sweden and while it’s obviously not optimal, it means you can reliably bike just about everywhere and people with wheelchairs or mobility scooters don’t have to worry about having infrastructure available to safely get around.

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        i had no idea bike path and lane meant different things, i had bike paths in mind when i wrote that

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          it’s really frustrating that youtubers who talk about urbanism especially in places like north america don’t talk more about this distinction, i think it does a pretty significant amount of harm that people never get to learn the proper terms for these things.

          Like, imagine getting into this stuff and you merrily contact local politicians and talk about how bike lanes would help cyclists and help the city, if that goes through you might think you’re going to see massive improvements and then you’re given a slap to the face when you see that they just… draw a line of paint on the roads…

          Another thing that rather annoys me but it nowhere near as bad, is the insistence on separated single-direction road-level bike paths, often with shitty separation from traffic.
          I think it would be more effective to campaign for simple wide multi-use paths, especially where there are already sidewalks you can just make those 3x as wide and paint a line at the edge of the old sidewalk, and suddenly you have something that lets EVERYONE get around safely and comfortably, even people in wheelchairs and large bulky mobility scooters, and it’s much easier to maintain than narrow bike paths with obstacles on either side.

          But obviously i’m biased because that’s how it generally works here, however it works really well for establishing a baseline level of accessibility and cementing in people’s minds that living without a car is perfectly doable even if it’s not necessarily convenient yet.

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            Like, imagine getting into this stuff and you merrily contact local politicians and talk about how bike lanes would help cyclists and help the city, if that goes through you might think you’re going to see massive improvements and then you’re given a slap to the face when you see that they just… draw a line of paint on the roads…

            And in the US, it’s even more malicious than that in reality. That painted line on the side of the road with a picture of a bike that the city says is for bicyclists? Yeah, people will still park their cars on it. And also now that you have a “bike lane” that you’re supposed to use, the city makes it a crime to ride bikes in pedestrian spaces.

            So you, as a bicyclist, are riding along the road and see that someone parked their truck in the bike lane. You have two options: ride into the same lane as motor vehicle traffic and pray you don’t become one of the roughly 120 bicyclists injured or 3 bicyclists killed by cars in the US each and every day, or you switch to the sidewalk and live another day. You play it safe, choose the sidewalk (since there aren’t many pedestrians anyways either) but oh no! There’s a cop, they stop you and issue a fine. And if you ask why they haven’t ticketed the pickup truck for parking in the bike lane, they say it’s a matter of police discretion.

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      I really wish my city had no Sobyanin and my country had no Putin. Bike lanes are better alternatives to those two things.

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        I bet the Dutch would reward anyone who delivered Putin to the Hauge with some bike lanes wherever they want.

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          Yay! “National treasure” is finally worth something!

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    Even if we don’t end up winning the Euro football championship, 🇳🇱 is the walkability winner.

    I recently came across this enthusiastic in-depth analysis of a completely unknown and (to us) normal train station somewhere in the province. No sports event will ever make me feel as patriotic as this video.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HACaRm2KP6Q

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      This is fantastic. Utterly fantastic. Why can’t we all have this stuff? Honestly, I feel like the modern vikings taking over the UK would be great.

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      the nordics win walkability because we just do not give a fuck and will walk anywhere, i have seen parents with a baby in a stroller going for a walk in the middle of nowhere with cars whizzing past at 60 km/h

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    This is what I dream of for my city and I drive for a living. Get these 70 square feet of individual morons who don’t need to be on the road out of my way.

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      Given that you drive for living, you probably drive truck or bus or taxi. Makes sense. Using huge steel brick to transport 1.2 people on average is such idiocy.