Force to carry the baby to 33 weeks when she knew months earlier that the condition was always fatal.
Had to have a closed casket because the baby was never going to be able to have a fully formed skull.
So disgusting. Ashamed of my state. I hope we can eventually get some people in power that aren’t callous fear mongerers.
Because she’s too removed to travel to another state in the 21st century.
She lives in Houston. It’s a 12+ hour drive to the nearest state where it would be legal.
Texas is seeking to punish women who leave the state for healthcare. They’ve currently been blocked at the federal court level from doing that, at least for now.
None of this has been about punishing people who are able to take a few days off work to travel out of state for healthcare.
Yeah because that’s the answer, force a woman who doesn’t want/cant have a child to incur travel expenses when it should be a Healthcare service offered nearby.
Especially in this instance, where is an extremely traumatic pregnancy, let’s just go ahead and force her to seek travel accommodations on top of what she’s dealing with.
What a compassionate person you must be.
Another proud moment for Christianity
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It has a lot to do with christianity. Religion is all about pushing your beliefs on to others.
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Preaching is the assumption others want to hear about your religion. It’s a bit like being a Magic the Gathering Fan boy. You’re going to tell everyone about it even though their eyes are glazed over and they have tried to change the subject 3 times in the past 5 minutes. Live a life that makes people go, hey why are you so kind and generous and loving I want to know about that, then answer their questions, otherwise you’re just another boring fanboi prattling on.
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It’s everything to do with religion. They have those beliefs for a reason. Religion is the source. The belief itself is a problem.
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The problem with religion is that it’s not objective. You can’t argue that they’re wrong if they’re invoking a passage that requires interpretation. And if they believe god is supporting them in their journey, which again can’t be refuted, there is not much you can say to stop them.
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Nothing to do with Christianity and everything to do with control.
That’s literally the same thing. Christianity IS control. Religion - all religion - is a cancer on society. We don’t live in ancient times anymore. Religion’s usefulness has long since past. We don’t need to use it to explain who the world works and with that how to control individuals.
That’s literally the same thing. Christianity IS control. Religion - all religion - is a cancer on society.
I don’t begrudge anyone who feels that way. The amount of harm, torment, and just all out disgusting things done in the name of religion should make anyone throw up just thinking about it.
Are you saying abortion is not a Christian issue?
I’m saying anyone claiming to be Christian and getting involved in politics is not a Christian.
Yes it’s true that the Bible says abortion is wrong. But that’s for the reader to apply to themselves, not forcibly apply to everyone else through politics.
It’s no different than Jainism with eating meat. They outright do not eat meat as a religious practice, which is fine. But imagine if they protested and took office to make it law that no one else can eat meat.
The Bible even says that people should not be getting involved in politics. So it’s a double whammy with forcing their beliefs onto other people through a means that God doesn’t approve.
Where does the Bible say abortion is wrong?
I’m also curious. The bible says life begins after birth, when God breathes life into the lungs. This is stated multiple times. You are not alive until you take your first breath.
That’s kind of a stretch. The “breathing life into lungs” is a figurative way of saying “giving life to” or even “putting life into”. We don’t breathe “life”, we breathe “air”. And throughout time the act of breathing is associated with being alive. It’s visual and testable. When someone stops breathing, they die. No one dead breaths. So if you’re breathing, you’re alive.
The Bible also mentions the life of an unborn child multiple times, and no one today would say a fetus isn’t alive.
When you stop breathing you’re no longer a “living person”. Your cells are often alive for a while and there are some human cell lineages that have persisted for some time past the animal death. You are still biologically alive after its clear you’ve died as a person.
Even in the bible they don’t value a fetus like they do a person
There is ambiguity in the word “life” that doesnt translate well even among english speakers.
Suppose some “angel” did come down and try to communicate something to you and you wrote it down in english words today, do you think you’d be able to capture and tell people accurately what the angel intended or do you think its possible to maybe misquote a divine messager such that a bunch of dumbasses in a second language think a fetus is a person and use that interpretation as a test of faith that they mandate into law?
It doesn’t explicitly say “abortion is wrong”, but it is inferred from other things like the sacredness of life, etc.
Anyways, that wasn’t the point of my comment. The point of my comment was that it doesn’t matter what the Bible says in the context of abortion. It’s not ok to force your beliefs on to others.
Where exactly does the Bible say that abortion is wrong? Have you read the Old Testament? There are so many dead babies there you could use them for the foundations of the tower of Babel. There’s even a method described for inducing abortion.
Hold my grape juice while I come up with afactual refutations for every point you asserted because I fail to understand the difference between scholarship and wishful thinking. /s
It doesn’t explicitly say that abortion is wrong. It says that life is sacred and that killing someone is wrong. The Mosaic Law even said that if a pregnant woman was harmed, even accidentally, and it caused the baby to miscarry then the offender should be put to death, a “life for a life”.
Have you read the Old Testament? There are so many dead babies there you could use them for the foundations of the tower of Babel. There’s even a method described for inducing abortion.
Yes, I have read it. Just because something is mentioned in the Bible, it isn’t an endorsement. There are many accounts of people doing terrible things, but that doesn’t mean we should all go and do those things. They are there either as a historical account or as an example of what not to do.
anyone claiming to be Christian and getting involved in politics is not a Christian.
Classic no true Scotsman.
Hardly. Being a “true” Scotsman is subjective.
What I said is demonstrable.
So what you’re saying is, the shoe is the sign, not the gourd.
What I’m saying is that it’s not a fair comparison. The definition of a “true Scotsman” is subjective outside of literally being born in Scotland.
The definition of a Christian is defined by the teachings in the Bible. If that definition isn’t met then you cannot claim to be a “true” Christian. One of those definitions is to not be involved with politics. Jesus rejected being called king because his “kingdom is no part of this world”.
John 18:36 Jesus answered: “My Kingdom is no part of this world. If my Kingdom were part of this world, my attendants would have fought that I should not be handed over to the Jews. But as it is, my Kingdom is not from this source.”
Matthew 20:25,26: But Jesus called them to him and said: “You know that the rulers of the nations lord it over them and the great men wield authority over them. This must not be the way among you
And yet that’s exactly what these Christian groups are doing; wielding power over others.
So ya, not “true” Christians.
Chances the “christians” that campaign for anti abortion didn’t even finished reading their bible , or borderline illiterate, are extremely very high.
Spot on. There is no room for interpretation in the Bible for bigotry, violence, or hatred towards anyone.
The Bible does say “hate what is bad”, but never “hate WHO is bad”. In fact it says the opposite. The Bible literally says to “love your enemy” and “love your neighbour”. Anyone can be your neighbour.
But like you said, most people who are vocal in such things either haven’t read the Bible or don’t understand the words they read. Nothing is preventing any single one of those people from practicing what they believe. Other people being “ungodly” doesn’t impact themselves in any way.
Religion, unfortunately, is more often coopted as a tool for control than used for peace.
Edit: I like that I’m being downvoted for agreeing with dimlo, who is being upvoted. Feels like being on Reddit again.
Tell that to all the politicians who are trying to mold the country to their Christian beliefs.
They wouldn’t care what I say. It doesn’t suite their goals.
I’m not sure why this difficult to understand. These people are using the Bible as a hammer to force others to do what they want. If it wasn’t the Bible, of the Bible didn’t exist, it would just be something else.
These people are using the Bible as a hammer to force others to do what they want.
AKA The Vatican and Christian leaders circa ~800 AD until Present. At some point you need to admit that Christianity and power dynamics are inseparable. You can argue semantics to people who don’t care all day, but at the end of the day the vast majority of “Christian” identifying people are just bots in a global power scheme. Christianity has not been in an unmolested state for millenia. Modern day Christianity and the power that came from it’s manipulation are one and the same, baked together throughout the ages, regardless of your semantics.
AKA The Vatican and Christian leaders circa ~800 AD until Present.
at the end of the day the vast majority of “Christian” identifying people are just bots in a global power scheme.
Christianity has not been in an unmolested state for millenia.
Agreed all all points.
Modern day Christianity and the power that came from it’s manipulation are one and the same, baked together throughout the ages, regardless of your semantics.
Mostly agreed.
I myself am a Christian and I find it deplorable and disgusting what most Christians say and do. What others want to do is none of my business and has no impact on what I believe. And my beliefs should not be imposed on anyone ever.
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God bless the Christian Republicans and their wholesome family values.
/s for those who need it.
It’s just actual torture at this point.
The cruelty is the point.
Just as Texas intended
Sacrifices must be made up appease the religious extremist voter base
You have to remember more than half the people in Texas vote for this shit while believing they live in the most free place in the world. Should freedom mean the freedom to take away other people’s freedom or should it mean the freedom to do what you want?
The takeaway from this is if you live someplace like this the average person is not your friend. Get out while you still can.
Freedom means guns, and more freedom means more guns, brother
6 Catholics overturned Roe too. Catholics only represent 23% of the population and tend to have much stricter views on abortion than Jewish and Hindu folks for instance. Maybe we shouldn’t let 6 people from the same freaking religion decide anything with religious overtones. But if we do, and in the case of abortion…maybe it shouldn’t be the people that think Jesus got magically beamed into Mary’s womb from orbit.
To correct you and also amplify the irony: Roe was overturned by 6 Catholic justices whose views on abortion diverge greatly from the 64% of American Catholics and 40% of American Catholic Republicans that believe that abortion should be legal in most or all cases.
Absolutely deplorable. I feel so terrible for those women. What an awful thing to go through. Even if a pregnancy goes well, it’s still incredibly hard. It’s also likely that the twin only lived because they selectively reduced the twin pregnancy in another state.
The argument against them is ridiculous. That it was really doctors who failed them? How? What’s the logic in that? It’s impossible to detect these birth defects before six weeks pregnant. We don’t have the technology for it. But it’s not fatal for the birth parent, so Texas doesn’t care.
That their case should be dismissed because they had a “go fund me”? This one really gets me. How does a “go fund me” negate the actions of the state? Or is the logic really “they got money and they’re only doing this for money?”
But it’s not fatal for the birth parent, so Texas doesn’t care.
even worse, even when it’s fatal a lot of medical professionals are now afraid to act until something is IMMEDIATELY fatal in texas. you’ve got women suffering, waiting for a predictable medical disaster, hospitals telling them “come back when you’re septic” and won’t do anything before then.
Fucking disgusting
I feel that any lawmaker who votes for these laws should be held personally liable in cases like these, much like medical professionals can be sued for medical malpractice. Every single one of them should be sued into abject financial destitution as a warning for anyone else to think twice before pulling shit like this ever again.
This is absolutely terrible and was completely foreseeable. Republicans are waging class warfare in the name of their invisible wizard in the sky. Laws that applies to the poor but not for the rich.
Where are the fucking insurance companies?! They should be screaming about forced birth legislation that causes tens of thousands of dollars in medical procedures they would otherwise not incur.
Insurance companies don’t actually pay out so this doesn’t impact them.
This is a flippant comment that disregards the fact that MANY MANY people have health insurance that is NOT shitty and in fact pays up without a lot of horseshit. You’re not really responding to the question posed, just griping about the terrible state of American healthcare access. I am honestly curious about what role health insurance companies could play in undermining forced birth legislation.
For the people who can’t afford these costs out of pocket, they frequently can’t afford insurance without exceptions and carve outs.
Well this is what degeracy looks like circa 2033
A WAHHMAN couldn’t travel to another state in the 21st century. WAHHHHH
Good. By unviable they just mean leftist.
So rare it made news
So excited I get to try the Lemmy “block” feature for the first time! Bye bye @Blamemeta, I won’t miss you. Oh, and I know you’ve only been here for 6 days, but being a troll doesn’t benefit you here like it did in reddit. At all. Your downvotes are an island, and do nothing to benefit your account. Peace.
