Israel be like:
It infuriates me how the narrative goes like this: Hamas (or any Palestinian group with even an ounce of power) is comprised of conscious actors who have agency and can/must be held accountable. Meanwhile, Israel is just this nebulous force of nature that happens and thus cannot be held accountable for it’s actions (like a hurricane or earthquake).
They call it “war”. Some German journalists call it “militarily operation”
Now I’m left wondering what the children of a water system look like.
It just randomly disappeared, no one knows what happened to it 🤷
like Nord stream
Probably a Russian false-flag operating
why would they?
So they can accuse Ukraine and the US of doing it. That’s how a false-flag operation works.
and then what?
we still dont know fuck shit about nordstream, it’s theorized that it was ukraine, but we don’t exactly have super solid evidence of this. it could’ve been russia, but let’s be real. It probably wasn’t. It could’ve been china, but i doubt that they cared. Could’ve been the US, i sincerely doubt this. Could’ve been one of the european nations, or maybe just a rich billionaire or some shit, who knows.
What we do know, is that the attack was for all four of the pipelines, and one of them failed to properly destroy the pipeline, so presumably there is some amount of forensic evidence there. And it seems like nobody really wants to talk about it for fears of starting ww3
I have no doubt that the US was behind the destruction of Nord Stream 2, Biden said as much in 2022 in the lead up to the war
https://youtu.be/OS4O8rGRLf8?si=rP-MMg4bbvFpnqe9
During a joint press conference with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, President Biden is asked about the Nord Stream 2 pipeline.
“If Russia invades, that means tanks or troops crossing the border of Ukraine again, then there will no longer be a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it.”
when asked how, the president says, “I promise you, we will be able to do that.”
i mean this isn’t proof. This is pretty typical for legislative speak.
Also there are literally people speaking german in this video.
Destroyed by both sides in a war cause by a Palestinian government that has majority support. Palestinians should be rising up against their government for starting a war they were not prepared for.
Or maybe, almost a century of colonization on Israel’s part has left Palestinians with no choice but to defend themselves violently. Don’t want terrorists? Maybe don’t bomb civilians and civilian infrastructure. Because every bomb you drop on a residential building is going to end up creating more terrorists than you kill.
Since you say they had no choice but to defend themselves violently pre October 7 then Isreal loses nothing by destroying gaza because they were already radicalized and already had a justification for war. So Isreal should take the opportunity oct7 provided to destroy all their military capabilities.
Palestinians have to realize that their situation isn’t getting better when they “violently defend themselves” the only way to improve their situation is through diplomacy amwhich requires making concessions to reach a deal.
then Isreal loses nothing by destroying gaza
So we’re just going full mask off genocide? Get a grip.
Palestinians have to realize that their situation isn’t getting better
If you had any understanding of history, you’d know that has always been the case no matter what. Every decade, they’ve faced massacres, destruction of their homes, and ethnic cleansing.
It has always been the case that their situation isn’t getting better, it has always been getting worse. Israel going full genocidal mode after October 7th was inevitable. At least now the world is paying closer attention and pressuring Israel and public officials to shut it down.
the only way to improve their situation is through diplomacy amwhich requires making concessions to reach a deal.
Not possible when Israel has a policy of “we will kill you, or take your home, we will accept nothing else”.
Clearly you haven’t been paying attention, because for he last several months Israel has constantly reiterated that regardless of what deals are made, the only condition for ending their attacks is the end of Hamas. But conveniently everybody who dies gets called Hamas. According to Israel, basically no civilians have been killed.
You can’t negotiate with genocidal maniacs. There is no middle ground when one side wants genocide, and the other just wants to live.
From isreals point of view they are fighting a “just war” (oxymoron yes I know) and are free to complete their war aims of destroying hamas. The rest of the world isn’t standing in the way of Isreal so they aren’t forced to give up much more than some PR.
If you knew anything about history you would know why the Palestinian situation continues getting worse and why they are constantly in wars. It’s definitely as much Palestinians blocking peace as Isreal.
Every single time a ceaswfire deal gets close hamas changes the deal at the last minute to something they know is unreasonable thereby taking negotiations back to step 1. If Palestinians wanted peace they would target hamas and not Isreal. They aren’t going to defeat Isreal. The only thing standing In the way of a ceasefire is the gazan “government” and the Palestinian support for them. So we can rephrase that as the only thing in the way of peace is the Palestinians living in Gaza.
If a ceasefire deal isn’t reached it won’t be Isrealis dying it won’t be Isreal losing land. The only people getting hurt are the Palestinians. I guess the Palestinians know thay they can just wait for the fighting to end and the rest of the world will come rebuild their cities and give them food, water and when have recovered they can go right back to attacking Isreal.
From isreals point of view they are fighting a “just war”
And from Germany’s point of view, they were fighting a just war.
It’s definitely as much Palestinians blocking peace as Isreal.
Every single time a ceaswfire deal gets close hamas changes the deal at the last minute to something they know is unreasonable thereby taking negotiations back to step 1.
This is factually incorrect. You have it backwards.
Israel has been pulling this shit since forever:
https://www.vox.com/world-politics/2023/11/22/23971375/israel-palestine-peace-talks-deal-timeline
And they’ve been doing ethnically cleansing the whole time:
https://imeu.org/article/the-nakba-65-years-of-dispossession-and-apartheid
I’ll remember this argument next time you/others talk about how Gaza is cut off from global markets by Israel
Because it’s been a deliberate tactic of De-development
The blockade and Israel’s repeated military offensives have had a heavy toll on Gaza’s essential infrastructure and further debilitated its health system and economy, leaving the area in a state of perpetual humanitarian crisis. Indeed, Israel’s collective punishment of Gaza’s civilian population, the majority of whom are children, has created conditions inimical to human life due to shortages of housing, potable water and electricity, and lack of access to essential medicines and medical care, food, educational equipment and building materials.
- Amnesty International Report pg 26-27
Other reports about how Israel is an Apartheid State: Human Rights Watch Report, B’TSelem Report with quick Explainer
The Israeli imposed closure on Gaza began in 1991, temporarily, becoming permanent in 1993. The barrier began around Gaza around 1972. After the ‘disengagement’ in 2007, this turned into a full blockade; where Israel has had control over the airspace, borders, and sea. Under the guise of ‘dual-use’ Israel has restricted food, allocating a minimum supply leading to over half of Gaza being food insecure; construction materials, medical supplies, and other basic necessities have also been restricted.
Gaza Policy Forum summary: Experts agree that Israel’s dual-use policy causes acute distress
Through 1993 Israel imposed a one-way system of tariffs and duties on the importation of goods through its borders; leaving Israel for Gaza, however, no tariffs or other regulations applied. Thus, for Israeli exports to Gaza, the Strip was treated as part of Israel; but for Gazan exports to Israel, the Strip was treated as a foreign entity subject to various “non-tariff barriers.” This placed Israel at a distinct advantage for trading and limited Gaza’s access to Israeli and foreign markets. Gazans had no recourse against such policies, being totally unable to protect themselves with tariffs or exchange rate controls. Thus, they had to pay more for highly protected Israeli products than they would if they had some control over their own economy. Such policies deprived the occupied territories of significant customs revenue, estimated at $118-$176 million in 1986. (Arguably, the economic terms of the Gaza—Jericho Agreement modify the situation only slightly.)
- page 240
In a report released in May 2015, the World Bank revealed that as a result of Israel’s blockade and OPE, Gaza’s manufacturing sector shrank by as much as 60 percent over eight years while real per capita income is 31 percent lower than it was 20 years ago. The report also stated that the blockade alone is responsible for a 50 percent decrease in Gaza’s GDP since 2007. Furthermore, OPE (com- bined with the tunnel closure) exacerbated an already grave situation by reducing Gaza’s economy by an additional $460 million.
- Page 402
The Gaza Strip: The Political Economy of De-Development - Third Edition by Sara M. Roy
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im no forensic analyst but i’d probably venture to say that it would have been some number of the explosive munitions that ended up in the ordeal.
As we all know Hamas unchecked friendly fire when they started the server, so nothing in Gaza was damaged by Hamas. So when they engage in a firefight with the IDF, their bullets and rockets have no affect on the property or the people in the area.
Speaking of rockets, could you kindly climb into one and go back to where you came from?
Yeah, the Hamas air force has been really just decimating Gaza.
both israel and palestine have bombed shit they shouldn’t have.
Somehow israel managed to bomb AID vehicles.
Even when those aid vehicles are clearly marked and identify themselves as aid vehicles after they’re opened fire upon.
and they almost certainly know exactly where they are, because there is no way these orgs are just, walking into warzones without informing both parties about where they’re going and when.
We’ll see there’s these things called rockets.
And in Hamas’s language they call rocket launch sites Alderaan. Google “The destruction of Alderaan” to learn more.
The hacker known as “war-chan.”
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Hamas made Israel do it.
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Kathy still haunts me from this movie. If I bump into a table and knock something over I always think of her when I try to put it back.
Doublespeak.
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In many cases it seems like a bait when it’s put about their gazan policies. The situation in itself is unique and complicated, but Israel didn’t seem to even try to help it for how long this Strip exists. And right now it’s hard to tell what they aim at but making living there unbearable, so they’d refuge from what originally started as a refugee camp. Is that the only way? Probably not, but either way it doesn’t seem like Israel is struggling with whatever it is doing.
The situation in itself is unique and complicated
i’m not sure how unique this is, though in the modern era, this is certainly a unique event. But going back through human history, covering religion, and the various empires that rose and fell from grace. I’m not sure how unusual it would’ve been to see this level of war.
Take that sentence, replace Israel with Nazi Germany or apartheid South Africa, if you still don’t see an issue go get fucking institutionalized
No idea what they had said, but they deleted and slunk back into the shadows.
Turns out, surprisingly, people keep their fucking mouth shut and keep their rotting opinions to themselves when the public pushes back.
Imagine if we never had social media safe-spaces and everyone, everywhere had to face the full repercussions of their ideas online from the broad majority of the world instead of their select communities that support any brainless, heartless idea they have. We would be exploring the galaxy already.
I have just one question who does everyone literally everyone get downvoted into the grave if you support Israel why? Huh
As Lemmy has problems keeping posts deleted for good with the federated system, you can oftentimes copy and paste the content of deleted comments.
I click the reply button and it shows the deleted/removed comment.
Imagine if we never had social media safe-spaces and everyone, everywhere had to face the full repercussions of their ideas
if we didn’t have that, we would just have an incredible amount of echo chambers, each with their own ideology on their own little crusade to dominate shit.
It would certainly be nice if everyone could get along. It would certainly be nice.
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Israel is also a genocidal maniac, every country except the United States already knows this, every international body knows this, and yet I come here and see shit takes like this
There’s defending yourself, and then there are war crimes. The government of Israel has stepped so far beyond the line that someone would have to either be supporting their crusade or burying their head in the sand to think they’re not genocidal maniacs.
We have:
- Bombing refuge areas after suggesting civilians go there to avoid the conflict.
- Flattening hospitals.
- Soldiers pretending to be doctors.
- Soldiers assassinating targets in hospitals.
- Sabotaging support from international humanitarian aid organizations.
- Destroying civil infrastructure.
- Killing children.
I’m sure there’s plenty more that I missed, too.
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Sadly, it’s not just the US. Too many states are stuck in Israel defaultism.
And all the starving and maimed and killed children in Gaza are/were of course Hamas, right?
Honestly, Netanyahu is building the future of Hamas, because any who survive this slaughter will never forget it. Even the families of the hostages have called for a ceasefire, but Israel would rather kill the Israeli hostages than free them.
Yeah because Israel is somehow even fucking worse than them. Immediately after becoming a state they start to oppress the palestinians, then they fund and support hamas untill they get a reason to level the Gaza strip.
Voicing support of an apartheid settler state doing an ethnic cleansing should rightfully get you boo’d out of whatever room you’re standing in. I fail to see the problem here.
Because Israel is bad and supporting Israel is bad.
