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    More details from the article:

    • In the 1920s, many Mexicans were fired from their jobs due to intense anti-immigrant racism and the great depression.
    • Private and city local agents would show up at some people’s door with train tickets in hand, and say “pack your bags and get on this train.”
      • Hence the air quotes around “deported”.
    • At first, most American Mexicans left “voluntarily”:
      • They wanted to escape racism and find work.
      • The Mexican government promised them free land, as well, further pushing many to leave.
    • Many of the American citizens that left were the children of non-citizens, whose parents made them leave.
    • It wasn’t until later the federal government got involved, and comparatively fewer (90k, still a lot) were deported forcibly.

    Interestingly, this is a common trend when we look at anti-immigrant action. The federal government is rarely the actor that does most of the damage. Most of the action comes from extremely racist MAGA-type populists going around burning property and attacking people en masse. See also the Chinese Exclusion Act.

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      The federal government is rarely the actor that does most of the damage. Most of the action comes from extremely racist MAGA-type populists going around burning property and attacking people en masse. See also the Chinese Exclusion Act.

      This is the way “authorities” work. They sit quiet while the “unofficial volunteers” wreak havoc. If the authorities disagree with a groups actions they make take action against them. Otherwise inaction means they tacitly support it.

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    Both the Nazis in Germany and the Nats in South Africa was inspired by the US’s white supremacism-drenched society.

    However, it is simply not fair to blame the US for all this. White supremacism seems to be the defining feature of (so-called) “Western” civilization - one could argue that the very concept of a “West” would collapse without it.

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      Oh there’s not point on following this around. The entire thing was a complete shitshow coming from all sides of an echo-chamber of elites through the entire world. There’s no point on trying to poin-point it at the “West” either, as it wasn’t restricted into there.

      It’s much better to just accept that elitization like there existed at the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th century will almost certainly lead to some kind of atrocity and must be fought against.

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        Oh there’s not point on following this around.

        Appealing to ahistoricity - I thought you liberals were above that?

        The entire thing was a complete shitshow coming from all sides

        You are free to show me any proof that there are competing racialized “supremacies” being violently enforced on the world any time you feel like.

        There’s no point on trying to poin-point it at the “West” either,

        Really? Are we to assume that “race science” just appeared all over the world as if by magic?

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          as if by magic

          So, that’s how we are calling echo-chambers nowadays?

          competing racialized “supremacies” being violently enforced

          Hum… Do you consider the Japan part of the “West”? Because that’s a very famous one.

          About ahistoricity, well, if you really want to go following the idea around, go for it. IMO it’s a nasty time-sink that won’t add anything of value to one’s life. But well, you are free do disagree.

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            Because that’s a very famous one.

            Then this should be easy for you - prove the existence of this “yellow supremacy” that (somehow) grew up independently from the west’s (yes - as in the West’s) “race science.”

            IMO it’s a nasty time-sink that won’t add anything of value to one’s life.

            Soooo, again… I thought you libs were above ahistoricity?

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              Then this should be easy for you - prove the existence of this “yellow supremacy” that (somehow) grew up independently from the west’s (yes - as in the West’s) “race science.”

              we got:

              The Japanese, whose racism dates back several hundred years before they had any meaningful contact with “the west” (for example the heavenly blessed Japanese being aided by the divine wind to stop the invading mongols TWICE).

              The Chinese, Han suprematism played a key part in the overthrow of the Mongol Yuan dynasty and lead to the Ming dynasty.

              the Ottoman Empire was literally controlled by an “elite race” of people who were decedents from the original Osman tribe

              and that’s just off the top of my head, all race science did was take the same societal structures that used to be “divinely ordained” and use pseudo-science to legitimize them since the power of individual religious group tended to decline

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                LOL!

                No, no, no, Clyde - the only thing you’ve managed to prove, genius, is that you don’t have the foggiest clue what “racism” (ie, white supremacism) even is.

                “Divinely justified” nationalism isn’t race science, Clyde - so far, that’s the only thing you’ve managed to trot out as “proof” that the west didn’t invent this and is, to this day, still defined by it’s tenets. You’re going to have to do better. Much, much better.

                Go… you’ve got your work cut out for you.

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                  you realize that racism isn’t just white supremacy?

                  and no, divine right on a national basis IS the same thing as race science, race its self is a social construct that isn’t actually representative of reality, and generally speaking was/is/will be used as a pseudonym replacement for nationality.

                  it seems to me that you have a half-baked understanding of racism, nationalism, and discrimination