• A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world
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      5 months ago

      Fallout 4 sucked, too.

      Its a fun shooter game, but its not a fallout. Throwing supermutants into a game doesnt make it a Fallout. Especially with how they fucked SPECIAL.

      Fallout TV is probably the last decent product from Bethesda, and I’d wager thats only cause Bethesda isnt in charge of writing.

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        Fallout 4 is like 4 different games crammed into a trench coat.

        • high emotion story game. Go rescue your child!
        • high action shooter. Boom! Headshot!
        • stats driven RPG. That naked bandit is level 40 so you can’t kill him even if you shotgun his face
        • settlement management game. Build and decorate a little town! Set up trade routes!

        All of these are kind of badly done, and mashing them all together didn’t make something greater than the parts.

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          And the only aspect thats any good is the shooter part. Cause it is a fun shooter. Especially at higher levels with more exotic weapons.

          But the story is shit

          The RPG Elements… the SPECIAL/Stats were shit on and ruined to enable some vague idea of nearly infinite growth within an uncapped level system.

          and the settlement building is somehow worse than how a New Vegas mod managed to do it.

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        The perk system was fine imo, but the fact that attributes (except for charisma) did not influence dialogue at all was extremely disappointing.

        Roleplay opportunities were traded in for a better gunplay experience. It became an FPS, not an RPG.

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          Look the perk system was bad but it’s wasn’t Fallout New Vegas bad. It was okay for a Fallout game but they probably should’ve done level ups by doing each 5 levels gives you 2 SPECIAL points to spend rather than spending normal points on the core stats.

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            5 months ago

            I had fun with both. Fallout 4’s flaws are still there, but if you’re going to make a punching bag out of one of them, 4 is a better game than 3, IMO.

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              Better than 3 maybe, but doesn’t even hold a candle to New Vegas. Hell, id argue 3 with NV’s engine is leagues better.

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              5 months ago

              No ones disagreeing with that.

              Fallout 3 was all around an inferior game. Not just an inferior fallout, but an inferior game, compared to 4.

              Mostly cause Fallout 3 was a disjointed mess.

              But just because Fallout 4 is better by comparison, Doesnt mean fallout 4 is good.

              I hate beets. But give me the choice between a bowl of shit and a bowl of beets, and put a gun to my head? I’ll eat the beets gladly and happily. Doesnt mean I love them.

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                Neither is shit. 4 is way better. 1, 2, and New Vegas are better still. But 3 doesn’t tend to come up in these conversations when people talk about Bethesda Fallouts being worse. They always go to 4, and that surprises me.

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                  because Fallout 3 is at least fallout-ish despite its horrible writing, story, and world building.

                  4 is just a shooter game with Vault Tec and Super mutants thrown into it.

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        As an RPG player, people kept saying I should play Fallout, but I never have because it always looked more like a shooter than an RPG, and I want to play an actual RPG, not a shooter with RPG elements (especially because I despise shooters).

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          Play 1 and 2 if you dont mind isometric, cause they are a definitive roleplay experience.

          and New Vegas if you gotta have that 3d.

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          In all the previous shooter Fallouts, you can basically use VATS to never have to aim yourself if that’s what you want to do (or melee build!), it’s like an auto-aimer. You won’t miss that much and maybe that way you can enjoy the universe.

      • BowtiesAreCool@lemmy.world
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        I hate modern gaming. Opinions aren’t allowed to be held. I don’t like this thing so ITS THE WORST OF THAT THING

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          I hate having discussions. Opinions aren’t allowed to be held because theres always some entitled ass that has to come in and misrepresent what everyones saying so they can fulfill their personal fantasy of being offended and attacked.

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          Once you take high school English your teacher will tell you not to write “in my opinion” in front of everything you write because it is unnecessary. Of course it is your option, you said it.

          Someone with basic logic can extrapolate from that that if someone says something like “Fallout 4 is bad” that is clearly someone presenting an opinion and not an objective truth.

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      Only if you don’t buy the Season 1 Vault-Tec Access Pass for $49.99. Imagine not doing that and then not ever being able to get your Overpowered Armor at pass level 5. You would absolutely be ruining it for yourself by not investing into the seasonal passes.