Trump has decades of experience working a crowd and flipping the script on people. No matter what you think of him as a candidate or as a person you gotta admit he’s a formidable stage presence.
Notable-er and notable-er. Have you seen his interviews from any point in the last 5 years or so? For example he has a noticeable habit of getting up and walking out because they’re not going how he wants them to go.
This thing you’re saying is a very unusual thing to say or believe for pretty much any observer of American politics outside a very specific segment. I am fascinated by this. Tell me more. Can you give me an example e.g. of him flipping the script on someone?
He pretty famously made all the other republican candidates look terrible in the republican debates in the lead up to the 2016 election. I’ll get a specific example of flipping the script but I’m surprised to have to pull up receipts for what he’s universally acknowledged for.
Liberals are always willing to call trump a catty blowhard bully but when someone says as much using clearer, more neutral language it’s suddenly something to be dug into.
The man knows how to work a crowd and has genuine comedic timing even in his advanced age. You don’t have to hand it to him to recognize his strengths.
I’m surprised to have to pull up receipts for what he’s universally acknowledged for
genuine comedic timing even in his advanced age
Again: This is not a totally unusual view of Trump among American people. But for someone who’s planning to vote for the PSL, who is familiar with ins and outs of flaws in Biden’s policies and wants to talk about insulin price caps and universal health care, clearly cares about and follows news… and yet, somehow, to have this wrong a view of Trump like they just never happened to run across a Trump interview that happened since 2016, is weird. It’s incongruous. It’s a view that’s exclusive to people who live in one particular type of media bubble only, generally speaking.
How about this, though. From your history:
If you don’t feel disgusted by this enough: the Biden regime shut down the insulin price cap faster than it shut down this program.
There is only one specific type of media where you might have picked up the impression that something like that was plausible (seen the concept of “insulin price cap” without the corresponding information that Biden was the one that enacted it.) Actually even more specific than the type of media diet that might have given you the idea that Trump is a good debater.
Where’d you learn that the Biden regime shut down the insulin price cap? Want to link me to a story about it? I’d love to learn more. You can educate me on the truth about the Biden regime so I’ll realize I should vote third party, and save the country.
My not totally unusual (I can’t help but notice that youre dancing around saying “accurate”) view of trump is incompatible with leftist politics and also wrong somehow?
go ahead and come out and say what you want to say about that instead of making innuendos.
Snopes on the biden regime shutting down the insulin price cap. that article will go on to say that it was just a temporary pause for two months while the biden regime figured out what trump regime executive orders to allow to continue and that executive order 13937 wasn’t going to take effect for another two days.
the snopes article hasn’t been updated since january 25th 2021, but here’s afp fact check with the details that the executive order 13937 wasn’t ever “unfrozen” and implemented and was ultimately rescinded by hhs under biden in october of 2021.
as for the media bubble I live in, it’s called knowing a diabetic who gets insulin on part d.
Did you read the whole AFP fact check? You really should. The Snopes article was written mid-“freeze”, so it wasn’t in a position to comment on the fact that Trump’s rule such as it was actually was enacted. Also, the AFP article talks about Trump’s order being pretty small in scope (would have applied to 1 in 11 people who needed it) and not funded from the POV of any individual FQHC, and wasn’t legislation, leaving it in unimplemented limbo even after Biden unfroze the order a short time later, until Biden passed actual legislation which did actually implement a price cap for all Medicare recipients, in the IRA.
Both Trump and Biden took steps to limit out-of-pocket costs for insulin, as did policymakers and legislators at the state and federal levels. But the posts mislead in claiming that Biden reversed Trump’s actions.
The cost cap went into effect in 2021 and was unchanged when Biden took office.
The Inflation Reduction Act (IRA), which Biden signed into law in August 2022, requires all Medicare Part D plans and certain Medicare Advantage plans to eliminate the deductible for “covered insulin” and cap the co-payment at $35 per month. The measures went into effect January 1.
“What’s happening with the Inflation Reduction Act is an expansion of the Trump administration’s Part D model, and an improvement in the sense that it’s no longer just a voluntary program, but required of all Part D plans,” Cubanski said.
What I am innuendo-ing is that you are repeating right wing propaganda here of a pretty low caliber - which would actually be very difficult for you to have absorbed unless you are:
Exposed to right wing media like Fox News and social-media propaganda (the AFP fact check goes into some detail about an Instagram post that makes this nonsense claim)
And, more crucially, not up to speed on actual news, which would have conveyed the story “Trump falsely claims he was the source of the insulin price cap” and not the propaganda version. If you were aware of any news outside the conservative bubble you would have known the conservative telling of it is false.
I.e. you making this mistake is incompatible with you consuming any media diet other than a purely conservative media diet. I.e. I am saying that there is strong evidence that you are a fake leftist, and all this support for voting third party because Biden isn’t left enough and you like all good leftists are not going to vote for him, is exactly what it looks like i.e. lies coming from a person whose actual political alignment is pro-Trump.
It’s possible I guess that you are a real PSL supporter who just happens to watch almost all Fox News, or gets their news from Instagram propaganda and latched onto this one thing because it is anti Biden, or something like that, but that seems unlikely to me.
This is one of the reasons I don’t actually like the afp article. The part you quoted saying it went into effect is from a health insurance lobby think tank employee, and later on the article goes on to say that actually it was never implemented and no one got cheaper insulin from it because congress, the insurance companies and drug manufacturers complained and got hhs to rescind their ruling on its implementation in October of 2021:
Quoted here:
In summary: Trump’s order was overturned. But no one had seen cost savings as it was never implemented – and the number of patients who might have received discounts is far fewer than those who received aid through his voluntary Medicare program.
The extent to which I see Fox News is about an hour or so a year waiting in my local mechanics office to pay for some repair. I’m exposed to msnbc much more frequently every time I visit my neighbors and some family who always seem to have it on when I come by.
I haven’t claimed that trump is the source of the insulin price cap and in my other response to you in the branch of our conversation about how you define propaganda I imply that the industry’s assent to some sort of price cap after Covid is actually behind it, not either party regime.
Now on to the personal attacks:
Feel free to call me whatever you like. I explained that my understanding of this issue comes from being close to a person who receives insulin through part d and would have (they claim and I have no reason to dispute, considering it would mean revealing their income) benefited from eo 13937, not from some media campaign.
When I call some scratched liberal a fascist, it’s because they say something like “well, I have to support the genocide with my vote because trump will do it here!”. I’m paraphrasing, but my point is that what seems like a contentious personal attack from me (fascist!) is actually based directly on the things they’re saying (I’d prefer people are genocided abroad rather than at home!).
When you call me a pro-trump fake leftist it’s because of innuendo and assumption. I told you explicitly why and how I know what I know, that it’s due to personal experience, not media exposure, yet you still in the comment directly responding to that one badjacket me by implying I watch the bad media.
Come on, that’s a deeply unserious tactic to deploy and is especially offensive when you’re trying to have a conversation about propaganda in another branch of this very conversation!
Well that’s certainly notable
Trump has decades of experience working a crowd and flipping the script on people. No matter what you think of him as a candidate or as a person you gotta admit he’s a formidable stage presence.
Notable-er and notable-er. Have you seen his interviews from any point in the last 5 years or so? For example he has a noticeable habit of getting up and walking out because they’re not going how he wants them to go.
This thing you’re saying is a very unusual thing to say or believe for pretty much any observer of American politics outside a very specific segment. I am fascinated by this. Tell me more. Can you give me an example e.g. of him flipping the script on someone?
He pretty famously made all the other republican candidates look terrible in the republican debates in the lead up to the 2016 election. I’ll get a specific example of flipping the script but I’m surprised to have to pull up receipts for what he’s universally acknowledged for.
Liberals are always willing to call trump a catty blowhard bully but when someone says as much using clearer, more neutral language it’s suddenly something to be dug into.
The man knows how to work a crowd and has genuine comedic timing even in his advanced age. You don’t have to hand it to him to recognize his strengths.
Again: This is not a totally unusual view of Trump among American people. But for someone who’s planning to vote for the PSL, who is familiar with ins and outs of flaws in Biden’s policies and wants to talk about insulin price caps and universal health care, clearly cares about and follows news… and yet, somehow, to have this wrong a view of Trump like they just never happened to run across a Trump interview that happened since 2016, is weird. It’s incongruous. It’s a view that’s exclusive to people who live in one particular type of media bubble only, generally speaking.
How about this, though. From your history:
There is only one specific type of media where you might have picked up the impression that something like that was plausible (seen the concept of “insulin price cap” without the corresponding information that Biden was the one that enacted it.) Actually even more specific than the type of media diet that might have given you the idea that Trump is a good debater.
Where’d you learn that the Biden regime shut down the insulin price cap? Want to link me to a story about it? I’d love to learn more. You can educate me on the truth about the Biden regime so I’ll realize I should vote third party, and save the country.
My not totally unusual (I can’t help but notice that youre dancing around saying “accurate”) view of trump is incompatible with leftist politics and also wrong somehow?
go ahead and come out and say what you want to say about that instead of making innuendos.
Snopes on the biden regime shutting down the insulin price cap. that article will go on to say that it was just a temporary pause for two months while the biden regime figured out what trump regime executive orders to allow to continue and that executive order 13937 wasn’t going to take effect for another two days.
the snopes article hasn’t been updated since january 25th 2021, but here’s afp fact check with the details that the executive order 13937 wasn’t ever “unfrozen” and implemented and was ultimately rescinded by hhs under biden in october of 2021.
as for the media bubble I live in, it’s called knowing a diabetic who gets insulin on part d.
Did you read the whole AFP fact check? You really should. The Snopes article was written mid-“freeze”, so it wasn’t in a position to comment on the fact that Trump’s rule such as it was actually was enacted. Also, the AFP article talks about Trump’s order being pretty small in scope (would have applied to 1 in 11 people who needed it) and not funded from the POV of any individual FQHC, and wasn’t legislation, leaving it in unimplemented limbo even after Biden unfroze the order a short time later, until Biden passed actual legislation which did actually implement a price cap for all Medicare recipients, in the IRA.
What I am innuendo-ing is that you are repeating right wing propaganda here of a pretty low caliber - which would actually be very difficult for you to have absorbed unless you are:
I.e. you making this mistake is incompatible with you consuming any media diet other than a purely conservative media diet. I.e. I am saying that there is strong evidence that you are a fake leftist, and all this support for voting third party because Biden isn’t left enough and you like all good leftists are not going to vote for him, is exactly what it looks like i.e. lies coming from a person whose actual political alignment is pro-Trump.
It’s possible I guess that you are a real PSL supporter who just happens to watch almost all Fox News, or gets their news from Instagram propaganda and latched onto this one thing because it is anti Biden, or something like that, but that seems unlikely to me.
This is one of the reasons I don’t actually like the afp article. The part you quoted saying it went into effect is from a health insurance lobby think tank employee, and later on the article goes on to say that actually it was never implemented and no one got cheaper insulin from it because congress, the insurance companies and drug manufacturers complained and got hhs to rescind their ruling on its implementation in October of 2021:
Quoted here:
The extent to which I see Fox News is about an hour or so a year waiting in my local mechanics office to pay for some repair. I’m exposed to msnbc much more frequently every time I visit my neighbors and some family who always seem to have it on when I come by.
I haven’t claimed that trump is the source of the insulin price cap and in my other response to you in the branch of our conversation about how you define propaganda I imply that the industry’s assent to some sort of price cap after Covid is actually behind it, not either party regime.
Now on to the personal attacks:
Feel free to call me whatever you like. I explained that my understanding of this issue comes from being close to a person who receives insulin through part d and would have (they claim and I have no reason to dispute, considering it would mean revealing their income) benefited from eo 13937, not from some media campaign.
When I call some scratched liberal a fascist, it’s because they say something like “well, I have to support the genocide with my vote because trump will do it here!”. I’m paraphrasing, but my point is that what seems like a contentious personal attack from me (fascist!) is actually based directly on the things they’re saying (I’d prefer people are genocided abroad rather than at home!).
When you call me a pro-trump fake leftist it’s because of innuendo and assumption. I told you explicitly why and how I know what I know, that it’s due to personal experience, not media exposure, yet you still in the comment directly responding to that one badjacket me by implying I watch the bad media.
Come on, that’s a deeply unserious tactic to deploy and is especially offensive when you’re trying to have a conversation about propaganda in another branch of this very conversation!