I used to wonder if there was any line that people wouldn’t cross with lesser-evilism, but now that I’ve seen all these takes just openly being like, “Yes, we’re doing genocide, and if you break ranks over that, not only are you a bad person, but your behavior is only possibly explainable by you being a foreign agent or a conservative in disguise,” and honestly it’s pretty validating to know that yes, I was right all along that accepting that line of reasoning would lead to complete insanity with no limit on how extreme it could get. Like I’ve never voted for a major party presidential candidate because of that sort of thing but even I never expected the discourse to reach this level, and now that I’ve seen it play out I’m very glad I decided to distance myself from it. This is what zero principles does to a mfer.
It’s really hard to see. Hearing that it doesn’t matter that Biden supports Israel’s genocide in Palestine because Trump would too is a bad take. It mattered to the thousands of people that have died. It matters to their families. It matters to their friends. So many of Biden’s bad policies are just unforced errors. He doesn’t have to be an unappealing candidate. He chooses to be an unappealing candidate. If he loses to Trump, that will be why. It’ll be 2016 all over again. The genocide in Palestine is Biden’s equivalent of just not setting foot in Michigan. And they’ll blame voters, primarily independents and leftists (they already are), just like Hillary did, but ever think about what they could have done differently or better.
Could you cite some past times when someone said, “We’re doing a genocide, but it’s ok because the alternative would be worse,” and then turned out to be on the right side of history?
Y’know that The Idiot is also gung-ho for Israel, right? Netanyahu’s not going to be less of an asshole, if you allow a fascist criminal to fuck up our country as well.
I’m very well aware, yes, that would be one reason why I’m not voting for that idiot either.
I fundamentally do not subscribe to your lesser-evilist ideology. I didn’t subscribe to it before people started using it to justify genocide, I’m certainly not about to start subscribing to it now. Hell, ten, twenty years ago, I’d be using this exact sort of situation as a hypothetical extreme example of why lesser-evilism is wrong. You know, because I would think that a line of reasoning that ends in “…and that’s why it’s ok to support genocide” would be subject to very heavy scrutiny by most people.
We’ve established how you’ve made no difference in any election.
Have you considered not sitting on your thumb when it’s bad shit versus bad shit plus fascism? That’s basically just “do you want fascism Y/N” and your answer so far is “no preference.”
I wouldn’t have made a difference had I voted for a major party candidate either. Never seen a presidential election decided by one vote.
Have you considered not sitting on your thumb when it’s bad shit versus bad shit plus fascism? That’s basically just “do you want fascism Y/N” and your answer so far is “no preference.”
“…and that’s why it’s ok to support genocide ‘bad stuff.’” Didn’t we just go over this? I do not subscribe to that ideology, precisely because it can be used to make the argument you’re making right now. I didn’t subscribe to before in part because I recognized that the rhetoric could some day get as bad as what you’re telling me right now.
Now that’s an interesting point. I wonder, how could we reach a point where opposition to genocide becomes policy? I’d say one way would be to rhetorically oppose genocide and influence more people in the direction of not tolerating genocide. So yeah, I hope that what I say influences others, because I do care about opposing genocide.
I used to wonder if there was any line that people wouldn’t cross with lesser-evilism, but now that I’ve seen all these takes just openly being like, “Yes, we’re doing genocide, and if you break ranks over that, not only are you a bad person, but your behavior is only possibly explainable by you being a foreign agent or a conservative in disguise,” and honestly it’s pretty validating to know that yes, I was right all along that accepting that line of reasoning would lead to complete insanity with no limit on how extreme it could get. Like I’ve never voted for a major party presidential candidate because of that sort of thing but even I never expected the discourse to reach this level, and now that I’ve seen it play out I’m very glad I decided to distance myself from it. This is what zero principles does to a mfer.
It’s really hard to see. Hearing that it doesn’t matter that Biden supports Israel’s genocide in Palestine because Trump would too is a bad take. It mattered to the thousands of people that have died. It matters to their families. It matters to their friends. So many of Biden’s bad policies are just unforced errors. He doesn’t have to be an unappealing candidate. He chooses to be an unappealing candidate. If he loses to Trump, that will be why. It’ll be 2016 all over again. The genocide in Palestine is Biden’s equivalent of just not setting foot in Michigan. And they’ll blame voters, primarily independents and leftists (they already are), just like Hillary did, but ever think about what they could have done differently or better.
“I’ve never made a difference and I can’t imagine why anyone would.”
Could you cite some past times when someone said, “We’re doing a genocide, but it’s ok because the alternative would be worse,” and then turned out to be on the right side of history?
Y’know that The Idiot is also gung-ho for Israel, right? Netanyahu’s not going to be less of an asshole, if you allow a fascist criminal to fuck up our country as well.
I’m very well aware, yes, that would be one reason why I’m not voting for that idiot either.
I fundamentally do not subscribe to your lesser-evilist ideology. I didn’t subscribe to it before people started using it to justify genocide, I’m certainly not about to start subscribing to it now. Hell, ten, twenty years ago, I’d be using this exact sort of situation as a hypothetical extreme example of why lesser-evilism is wrong. You know, because I would think that a line of reasoning that ends in “…and that’s why it’s ok to support genocide” would be subject to very heavy scrutiny by most people.
We’ve established how you’ve made no difference in any election.
Have you considered not sitting on your thumb when it’s bad shit versus bad shit plus fascism? That’s basically just “do you want fascism Y/N” and your answer so far is “no preference.”
I wouldn’t have made a difference had I voted for a major party candidate either. Never seen a presidential election decided by one vote.
“…and that’s why it’s ok to support
genocide‘bad stuff.’” Didn’t we just go over this? I do not subscribe to that ideology, precisely because it can be used to make the argument you’re making right now. I didn’t subscribe to before in part because I recognized that the rhetoric could some day get as bad as what you’re telling me right now.Your bullshit influences others.
If you didn’t care, you’d shut up.
Now that’s an interesting point. I wonder, how could we reach a point where opposition to genocide becomes policy? I’d say one way would be to rhetorically oppose genocide and influence more people in the direction of not tolerating genocide. So yeah, I hope that what I say influences others, because I do care about opposing genocide.