• chrash0@lemmy.world
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    17 days ago

    a lot of things are unknown.

    i’d be very surprised if it doesn’t have an opt out.

    a point i was trying to make is that a lot of this info already exists on their servers, and your trust in the privacy of that is what it is. if you don’t trust them that it’s run on per user virtualized compute, that it’s e2e encrypted, or that they’re using local models i don’t know what to tell you. the model isn’t hoovering up your messages and sending them back to Apple unencrypted. it doesn’t need to for these features.

    all that said, this is just what they’ve told us, and there aren’t many people who know exactly what the implementation details are.

    the privacy issue with Recall, as i said, is that it collects a ton of data passively, without explicit consent. if i open my KeePass database on a Recall enabled machine, i have little assurance that this bot doesn’t know my Gmail password. this bot uses existing data, in controlled systems. that’s the difference. sure maybe people see Apple as more trustworthy, but maybe sociology has something to do with your reaction to it as well.

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      16 days ago

      No, but hear me out, that’s the thing. That’s why they’re so good.

      I didn’t even consider an opt-out throught that entire presentation.

      They clearly don’t have one, in retrospect. If you go watch it they aren’t even entertaining that option. This is how stuff works now. If you squint, this is how it’s always been, it just hadn’t been deployed yet. It’s magnificently ruthless. They don’t even frame it as a feature that you have that lives in its own space and you could potentially turn on and off.

      This is just how Apple devices work now. It’s just what they do. What do you mean opt out? Could you opt out of the Retina display or the Dynamic Island? It’s just a fact of life.

      They are so good. I can’t believe we all spent a week arguing about an opt out that MS had confirmed day one and Apple was able to entirely bypass the issue for like half an hour and even I, thinking and posting about it, took like an extra day to notice that they are not even surfacing the possibility that you may not want this. That’s some next level marketing wizardry right there.