I get that CPUSA has some bad reputation. This clip is a part of a call-in show. It features 4-5 calls from American hogs and the CPUSA guy responds to their questions. I think that this interview was interesting at least. I will post more information in a comment.
video link
https://www.c-span.org/video/?536104-4/joe-sims-communist-party-usa-campaign-2024=
Do you not know what code switching is? Do you not realize that people change their language when communicating with certain people to seem more appealing?
I don’t really care about this guy. I don’t really think much about CPUSA but I’m smart enough to realize that this guy was speaking in a way that was meant to appeal to the average American. In my opinion, he was a bit too kind when he spoke about American progressives and yeah, I’ll admit that he did sound a little “both sides”-ish.
Why didn’t he go on tv and say “Death to the United SSnaKKKeSS of AmeriKKKa”? Probably because he was trying to convince normal working class people to join his political party and not appeal to some weirdos on the internet that speak in esoteric emojis which reference twitter memes and podcasts.
The fact that he was willing to go on American TV and say that NATO expansion influenced the Ukraine conflict is more than pretty much any American Politician would do.
The way that you communicate in this thread is weird and smug and only other weirdos on hexbear and twitter understand what you are saying. Try reading your comments that you posted in this thread to a normal person in real life, judge their reaction. You have to communicate to people in ways that they understand.
I’m just tired of
bullshit that I’ve witnessed for too long. It took an uppity transgender that I thought was a bit much to ask “why”. Then I investigated and then it clicked. It’s a perspective thing.
Soft language is what gets people to dismiss things as “oh well” and the shit continues. It’s like can kicking. Not the right place. Not the right time.
All this soft coddling is what makes them “safe for empire” and why they are able to go on American television in the first place. I saw this as a
opportunity to lay into the crimes of the empire. You can do it very matter-of-factly as well.
I’m a bit harsh and I can come off real cold and uncaring sometimes. These comments are not directed to the users personally, but Joe Sims and the CPUSA. I know you all are members and comrades. I just wish the leaders were more actual revolutionaries than these defeated old …lumps. it’s ok to bite at the Democrats. They aren’t our friends.
Your priorities are all wrong. You see a video of a guy trying to promote communism to the American public which shows American people responding in irrational ways and your response is to lie about things that he said so that you get points on an internet forum. You are either incredibly foolish or malicious. You are malignant. You are selfish and you only behave like this to serve your own ego. Placing your own ego in front of communist organizing attempts is the most liberal thing that anyone could do.
I did not post the video because I thought it had all the right answers. I posted the video because it shows how regular Americans respond to a guy who is simply saying that communism is good.
Where is your criticism for the college professor who wrote into the show and said that the Bolshevik Revolution damaged the American left and also said that Bolshevism continues to hold back the American Left? The CPUSA responds to the college professor not by criticizing the USSR or Bolshevism. The CPUSA guy corrects the professor and says something quite similar to what often Parenti tells us. The CPUSA guy said that the Bolshevik revolution was not perfect, no past revolution is perfect, and no revolution is going to be perfect. He says that the Soviet working class people tried their best to govern and produce, that American Socialists should learn from the past Socialist Revolutions and not make the same mistakes.
CPUSA did not go on C-Span to have all of the right answers. He did not go into the specific geo-politics of the Russia-Ukraine conflict because frankly most people don’t know or care. Memorizing every battle in the Ukraine conflict is weird fixation that you have. Going on TV and spouting off intricate details of the conflict is not winning anyone over. Saying simple statements like “I care about the Ukraine people but NATO expansion needs to stop” is something that catches the attention of normal people and normal people will understand. He mentions Ukraine in a segment of the video where he is talking about fears that people are facing currently. He mentions Climate Change, the genocide in Gaza, and the Ukraine war which the US is funding. He’s saying these things as a way to connect with the viewer.
If you believe that you are too good to simplify your beliefs to appeal to normal people, then you have already failed. This isn’t debate club. You don’t get any real points for spouting off intricate details. You have to sometimes speak in simple terms which get people on your side. You share the intricate details with people who are already on your side. It is not easy to put your ego aside and speak in terms that common people understand. It is not easy to get Americans to support communism after a century of redscare propaganda. If you think you are going to debate people into supporting communism by knowing every detail about the history of Ukraine, then you have already failed.
I don’t believe that the CPUSA guy was promoting the Democrats in this video. He said that the CPUSA doesn’t endorse any candidate. At 24:30 in the video he also explicitly says that Republican believe Biden is a socialist and that Joe Biden is not a socialist or on the side of working people.
Also you posted in the thread 11 times? Did you know that every time you post in a thread that it boosts the thread in the algorithm. Notice how Pluto posted in the thread a bunch of times even though he didn’t need to. That’s because Pluto is seemingly smart and knows that posting in a thread a bunch of times gets it on the front page. Pluto is interested in promoting CPUSA. If you think that CPUSA is so bad and don’t want people to see it, but you bumped the thread 11 times. Either you are foolish and don’t know how the algorithm works or you just keep bumping the thread because you want people to give your redditor points for debating in the comment section.
Stop lying on the internet for useless points to feed your own ego. The CPUSA or Joe Sims are not reading what you wrote in this thread. Try going outside and talking to normal people about communism.
You think I give a shit about algorithims or points or popularity? It isn’t about me. I’m not the co leader of a national party.
It’s about how the CPUSA looks from the outside from someone that want change. You aren’t going to get that by residual fallout from failed campaigns alone. I would like the CPUSA be in a coalition with the Greens and PSL and have some of that common bite, but all I’m seeing is a safe for Empire afraid of their own shadow husk. Have some confidence in what you’re selling FFS. It comes across as
“We have to be pragmatic sweetie”. Maybe I’m expecting a bit more 
a little more spice.
You memebers of the CPUSA are reading it - in my hopes of you all maybe to tell leadership to do better. I think your leaders ought to give the American people a bit more credit than being sheepish and apologetic about your own subjects. It’s insulting to the public who has been toyed with enough by the other parties for too long. Especially with this Russiagate BS whipping up a 3rd Red Scare -which no one seems to talk about.
Red Scares are largely around competing resources more so than ideologies at their root. That’s something people need to understand on all sides of this. Oil. Rare earths. Rich person’s pissing match which we all pay for with inflation and attacks on civil liberties. You all understand this. It is just a matter of connecting the two and extrapolaiting that with our historic involvement in the area going back to meddling in the Russian Civil War. Probably beyond the scope a bit, but that’s what’s fueling the current bruhaha. That and fascist nostolgia for getting back at the Ruskies for spoiling their genocidal freakshow.
The Maidan coup was very significant and the crux of what is happening today. It is not the intrigate details of every battle. It is a significant chapter. Joe mentioned Russia’s involvement in Ukraine - he’s opened himself up to that two minute cliffs notes on the situation at a minimum. He could point to the CIA’s own public release in our backing of fascists in
for decades. It isn’t crazy to point out publicly released information of our own activities. It gives the common person a point of reference. They can google these things if they want further information.
One could just say Russia pull out…Putin bad blah blah. Ok Rachel Maddow. /s
And then what? What would NATO and
do to the territories? Let them choose their own way? Like they did in rejecting Maidan in 2014 and were subjected to lynching and ethnic cleansing and a decade long bombing campaign by thier own so called country and the entire western reserve armory with MADE IN THE USA bombs?
The appologizing for the Soviets was … disappointing. It feeds into that “evil Stalin” propagada the west shoves down everyones throat. Ok lessons learned on some things not everything perfect but thats with everything. What next “Stalin’s Holocaust”? /s I’m being cynical here. But you see why someone can roll their eyes at that?
The preventing a “truly American” revolution I rolled my eyes on too. Maybe because I see the end goal as something common and not specific to a certain nation. This Yadda yadda with American charecteristics. /s or not - at 22:25 Joe says “we need to create a model that’s based on the United States and not on any other country”. Ugggggh.
In name only is what it is going to be.
As for the Pluto stuff I will not entertain
. Pluto does what Pluto does. They’re another CPUSA memeber. If I wanted the CPUSA to poof I wouldn’t waste my time, patience, and sanity responding to you all. I’d laugh and move on. I post because I care. But like many things, I learn that the more I care, the more trouble it seems to bring me.
The only ones I see lying in here the CPUSA defenders who spout blatant falsehoods like “we don’t play less evilism” and “leadership doesn’t play lesser evilism” and “Joe Sims is revolutionary and not reformist”. Like just stop lying.
The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions. Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communistic revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains.
You only muddy the name of communism by being a weasel two-faced reformist who speaks out of both sides of their mouth. Have principles
Saying that you oppose NATO expansion is not a betrayal of communist principles. It is not concealing your views or aims by speaking in simpler terms so that normal people understand you. You don’t have to smug and esoteric to express a communist view point.
The very book that you quoted in your post is a simplification of Marx’s other writings. The communist manifesto is an introduction to communism for the masses. Would you go on TV and start with talking about coats and yards of linen? You would only talk about the coats and yards of linen who already have an some understanding of Marxism.
I’m not affiliated with CPUSA. I think it is fine to have criticisms of CPUSA. I didn’t reply to other people in the thread who criticized CPUSA. I even posted in the main post that I have heard CPUSA has a bad reputation.
What I don’t like is people who take things out of context, exaggerate, or otherwise lie to mislead people. I did not get the impression from the video that the CPUSA guy was blaming Russia for the Ukraine War.
Keep defending a Zionist pro-DNC tailist organization.