For those who actually want fascism to mean something, Umberto Eco’s 14 key points of Ur-Fascism are handy:
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“The cult of tradition”, characterized by cultural syncretism, even at the risk of internal contradiction. When all truth has already been revealed by tradition, no new learning can occur, only further interpretation and refinement.
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“The rejection of modernism”, which views the rationalistic development of Western culture since the Enlightenment as a descent into depravity. Eco distinguishes this from a rejection of superficial technological advancement, as many fascist regimes cite their industrial potency as proof of the vitality of their system.
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“The cult of action for action’s sake”, which dictates that action is of value in itself and should be taken without intellectual reflection. This, says Eco, is connected with anti-intellectualism and irrationalism, and often manifests in attacks on modern culture and science.
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“Disagreement is treason” – fascism devalues intellectual discourse and critical reasoning as barriers to action, as well as out of fear that such analysis will expose the contradictions embodied in a syncretistic faith.
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“Fear of difference”, which fascism seeks to exploit and exacerbate, often in the form of racism or an appeal against foreigners and immigrants.
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“Appeal to a frustrated middle class”, fearing economic pressure from the demands and aspirations of lower social groups.
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“Obsession with a plot” and the hyping-up of an enemy threat. This often combines an appeal to xenophobia with a fear of disloyalty and sabotage from marginalized groups living within the society. Eco also cites Pat Robertson’s book The New World Order as a prominent example of a plot obsession.
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Fascist societies rhetorically cast their enemies as “at the same time too strong and too weak”. On the one hand, fascists play up the power of certain disfavored elites to encourage in their followers a sense of grievance and humiliation. On the other hand, fascist leaders point to the decadence of those elites as proof of their ultimate feebleness in the face of an overwhelming popular will.
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“Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy” because “life is permanent warfare” – there must always be an enemy to fight. Both fascist Germany under Hitler and Italy under Mussolini worked first to organize and clean up their respective countries and then build the war machines that they later intended to and did use, despite Germany being under restrictions of the Versailles treaty to not build a military force. This principle leads to a fundamental contradiction within fascism: the incompatibility of ultimate triumph with perpetual war.
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“Contempt for the weak”, which is uncomfortably married to a chauvinistic popular elitism, in which every member of society is superior to outsiders by virtue of belonging to the in-group. Eco sees in these attitudes the root of a deep tension in the fundamentally hierarchical structure of fascist polities, as they encourage leaders to despise their underlings, up to the ultimate leader, who holds the whole country in contempt for having allowed him to overtake it by force.
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“Everybody is educated to become a hero”, which leads to the embrace of a cult of death. As Eco observes, “[t]he Ur-Fascist hero is impatient to die. In his impatience, he more frequently sends other people to death.”
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“Machismo”, which sublimates the difficult work of permanent war and heroism into the sexual sphere. Fascists thus hold “both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality”.
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“Selective populism” – the people, conceived monolithically, have a common will, distinct from and superior to the viewpoint of any individual. As no mass of people can ever be truly unanimous, the leader holds himself out as the interpreter of the popular will (though truly he alone dictates it). Fascists use this concept to delegitimize democratic institutions they accuse of “no longer represent[ing] the voice of the people”.
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“Newspeak” – fascism employs and promotes an impoverished vocabulary in order to limit critical reasoning.
These kind of jokes worked better back before fascism saw a large resurgence worldwide.
Unfortunately, they remain very relevant, especially since fascists in particular like to abuse terms used against them in the hope of making the terms meaningless by overuse and misuse.
Example, Trump following text book definitions of fascism, while calling his opponents “fascist” with the “I’m rubber, you’re glue” technique he’s used for decades.
Although I guess this make him antifa now?
Don’t forget Schrödinger’s Immigrant: simultaneously lazy and stealing all our jobs.
That’s contained within point number 8.
I mean, you can rationalize that as the immigrant stealing your job by accepting a lower wage, and then doing a worse job because they’re lazy
They can’t be motivated enough to come here and take your job then stick with it while also being too lazy to do it.
Even conservatives often say “they work so hard” usually as a combo of not sounding racist and so they can say “then they get hurt and use up our healthcare.”
“Biden’s a feeble, senile old man who has absolutely lost control of everything and he is the mastermind bringing to bear all of the levers of power against us!”
“Trump is a threat to democracy and he’s an orange ball of wax”
- Getting kicked off of a social media for saying the dumbest shit possible.
“THIS IS JUST LIKE THE FUCKING NAZIS! FACEBOOK JAIL IS THE WORST! YOU’D GIVE ME A GOLD STAR IF YOU COULD!”
- Slow removal of civil liberties with bipartisan support, scapegoating queers, making anti-fascists equal to Al-Queda as a threat to the federal government, police shooting innocent civilians and getting away with it, removal of immigration and enabling easier deportation, removal of public ownership to privatized control, less and less ownership of material goods…
“This is normal, anyone would want this, commie! Sorry you hate FREEDOM.”
Fucking conservatives.
My favorite is the “BLUE LINE BLUE LIVES MATTER” types also having a tacky “COME BACK WITH A WARRANT” doormat and constantly fantasize about taking out “government thugs” who come to “take their guns”.
- Police are more important than anything, you should always comply and obey
- I don’t want the government to tell me what to do
PICK ONE DIPSHITS
This makes more sense in the context that they believe that they’re in the in group that the law should protect yet not bind, and everyone else that the cops are for are in the out-group that the law should bind and not protect. That’s why there’s this breathless disbelief that the J6ers and Trump have been prosecuted, and further disbelief that it’s in any way legitimate.
I pick the line about dipshits.
Sequel to “Everyone I don’t like is an antisemite”
There is a lot of antisemitism going on these days. A lot of people are characterizing blatant antisemitism as support the Palestinians. Which actually hurts the Palestinian cause, but since everyone is afraid to say anything about it, antisemitism is tolerated.
Fascism is named after the Italian word “fascis” - or “fasces” in Latin. It means "bundle’ and symbolizes strength through unity - which is the number one core value of fascism in all its forms. That’s the best way to recognize fascism - that the regime does everything in its power, whatever the cost, to force unity on its people.
Interesting fact I heard that the Italian fascists deliberately set up regional pasta factories in an effort to make it the national dish.
Well… that worked.
Other way around, I think. Mussolini tried to replace pasta.
Ok. I heard it on a podcast about Italian food traditions.
Maybe they got it wrong.
All too familiar with #9. When I say that my government should persue peaceful, diplomatic approaches and stop spending as much as the next 9 countries combined on the military, people call me a Russian agent. Of course, before when I criticized the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the line was “terrorist sympathizer,” you know, “with us or against us.”
Not to say that the people saying that fulfill all the points of fascism by this definition, but they certainly fulfill that one. Peace only ever seems to be popular in hindsight.
Biden is Fascism number 5 today?
I think recently it has been replaced with Zionist. For instance, barely any criticism of something like Hamas will give you an instant “genocide loving Zionist” label.
In the past there was a political movement that came up with the term “Cosmopolitan Jew” because most people wouldn’t go along with hating all Jews. But if you can make people hate a subset of Jews, then they will tend not to speak up about someone attacking all Jews. Someone that hates all Jews is a useful ally to someone that hates a subset of the Jews.
I think you can guess which political movement operated this way in the past. And when the long knives came out, it turned out it was the people that hated a subset of Jews that were being useful to those that hated all Jews.
Today the angry people that are part of a violent political movement are now expanding who they are labeling as their enemies. Same shit, different century.
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you can also read mussolini. he says explicitly what fascism is and why. eco is not singularly authoritative on fascism, and his definition gives liberal democracies far too much leeway. modern america, and much of the rest of the developed world, is doing exactly what mussolini would have had us do.
democrats and republicans are both fascist. they don’t need to be hitler to be protecting the interest and primacy of the state at the expense of the interests and power of all other institutions. in fact, having hitler as a foil serves well to protect them from accusations of fascism.
you can also read mussolini. he says explicitly what fascism is and why.
Cool, I actually have. Have you actually read the Doctrine of Fascism?
eco is not singularly authoritative on fascism, and his definition gives liberal democracies far too much leeway.
Yes, how horrible that a definition of fascism might have traits that exclude one of the primary ideological foes of fascism even according to fascism itself?
democrats and republicans are both fascist. they don’t need to be hitler to be protecting the interest and privacy of the state at the expense of the interests and power of all other institutions.
How positively unhinged.
in fact, having hitler as a foil serves well to protect them from accusations of fascism.
Oh yes, how horrible would it be if non-fascists used fascists as a point of comparison to prove that they aren’t fascists.
liberal democracies are breeding grounds for fascism. every fascist regime has emerged from them.
liberal democracies are breeding grounds for fascism. every fascist regime has emerged from them.
How would you characterize the right-wing of the Kuomintang under Chiang Kai-shek?
it’s not mussolini’s fascism, where the state brings all other institutions in line with its interests. fascism is a specific thing. that’s what the meme is about.
it’s not mussolini’s fascism, where the state brings all other institutions in line with its interests.
Oh? In what way was the right-Kuomintang NOT seeking to bring all other institutions in line with its interests?
fascism is a specific thing. that’s what the meme is about.
Yes, and you seem to be confused about the definition of fascism, since, in the short time we’ve been talking, you’ve labeled Republicans and Democrats as fascists, but not the Kuomintang under Chiang Kai-shek.
mussolini specifically wanted to shift away from individualism, whereas (at least in lip service) chiangs plan was to teach democracy to the Chinese. a military dictatorship does have a lot of similarity to fascism, though. I suppose I can see where, in this one case, an agrarian societies emergence from warlordism may have been fascist.
mussolini specifically wanted to shift away from individualism, whereas (at least in lip service) chiangs plan was to teach democracy to the Chinese.
Oh, in that case I suppose we can take Mussolini’s lip service about fascism actually being the purest form of democracy at its face value as well.
a military dictatorship does have a lot of similarity to fascism, though. I suppose I can see where, in this one case, an agrarian societies emergence from warlordism may have been fascist.
In which case the question arises - what kind of government is the cure for fascism, since liberal democracy is apparently right out?
there is a cure for political illiteracy.
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Two of the approximately 13,567 sides, actually
Fascism does have a definition, but normally it’s just used to label those who disagree with one’s own views.
