It is pretty weird to call them “recovering from M-L” when M-L is how they industrialized and their current leaders economically looted the country into a state that can only be described as a kleptocracy with designs on restoring the Tsardom.
Especially when it’s been over thirty years since the collapse.
But, on the other hand, if it makes conservatives mad…
Enduring the lasting effects of brown fascists taking over from red fascists? Like, sure, that’s inevitable when you create an immensely heirarchal state where absolute power lies in the government, but M-Ls didn’t irreparably damage the Russian economy.
They’re why it has one. The human rights abuses weren’t necessary to make it, but their current problems simply aren’t the fault of the Soviet industrialization programs, they’re despite it.
Unless you blame the Soviets for making so many tanks and artillery shells that it gave Putin false confidence in his ability to conquer a nation with a quarter of Russia’s population thirty years later even after they sold half of the stockpiles.
but M-Ls didn’t irreparably damage the Russian economy.
They’re why it has one. The human rights abuses weren’t necessary to make it, but their current problems simply aren’t the fault of the Soviet industrialization programs, they’re despite it.
I feel like we could have a long argument about this, but at the same time, I’m not in the mood and it’s not the main point of the meme anyway.
I disagree that the centralized, extractive system of the Soviet planned economy and its hyperfocus on heavy industry and neglect of basic civilian infrastructure in the Stalin and Brezhnev years were anything except absolutely ruinous to the long-term economic and physical health of what is now the Russian federation, with or without the collapse and ‘shock therapy’ of the 90s and the continued oligarchy of the 2000s and 2010s. You can refute that if you feel that’s objectionable, but I’m gonna leave it here.
It is pretty weird to call them “recovering from M-L” when M-L is how they industrialized and their current leaders economically looted the country into a state that can only be described as a kleptocracy with designs on restoring the Tsardom.
Especially when it’s been over thirty years since the collapse.
But, on the other hand, if it makes conservatives mad…
You are correct in that ‘recovering’ is a strong word. ‘Enduring’ the lasting effects would be more accurate.
Enduring the lasting effects of brown fascists taking over from red fascists? Like, sure, that’s inevitable when you create an immensely heirarchal state where absolute power lies in the government, but M-Ls didn’t irreparably damage the Russian economy.
They’re why it has one. The human rights abuses weren’t necessary to make it, but their current problems simply aren’t the fault of the Soviet industrialization programs, they’re despite it.
Unless you blame the Soviets for making so many tanks and artillery shells that it gave Putin false confidence in his ability to conquer a nation with a quarter of Russia’s population thirty years later even after they sold half of the stockpiles.
I feel like we could have a long argument about this, but at the same time, I’m not in the mood and it’s not the main point of the meme anyway.
I disagree that the centralized, extractive system of the Soviet planned economy and its hyperfocus on heavy industry and neglect of basic civilian infrastructure in the Stalin and Brezhnev years were anything except absolutely ruinous to the long-term economic and physical health of what is now the Russian federation, with or without the collapse and ‘shock therapy’ of the 90s and the continued oligarchy of the 2000s and 2010s. You can refute that if you feel that’s objectionable, but I’m gonna leave it here.