• Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    If he does that, he loses the vote of the democrats that support Israel.

    Biden is in a lose-lose situation with the electorate, and is a stubborn boomer. No amount of letting Trump win and get trans people killed will change Biden’s mind.

    I get it, I fucking hate Biden too. But it is going to be a disaster if we allow Trump to get elected.

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        6 months ago

        Don’t forget, Biden also has to get the independent vote. And if Biden takes a strong anti-genocide position, the GOP will bash him for it, and use it as ammunition to call him antisemitic just as they have with the college students.

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          Smart politics would say GOP bashing Biden is a good thing in this context. Adopting GOP talking points is what gave us our current immigration policy, and that is another liability in his campaign, though much smaller than giving arms to an active genocide.

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          6 months ago

          “you don’t understand! biden has to pander to fascists or else he wont get elected to save us!”

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            Re-replying since you deleted your original comment:

            I’m not saying he should pander to fascists. I’m saying “here is his motivations, here is what his opponents will do, thus influencing his motivations”.

            Biden is a piece of shit, that’s well established. I’m saying that he will never listen to progressives, and efforts to get him to listen aren’t going to result in anything.

            Our efforts are better used on election reform.

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            I’m not saying he should pander to fascists. I’m saying “here is his motivations, here is what his opponents will do, thus influencing his motivations”.

            Biden is a piece of shit, that’s well established. I’m saying that he will never listen to progressives, and efforts to get him to listen aren’t going to result in anything.

            Our efforts are better used on election reform.

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              election reform would be a good thing worldwide, but we’d need more than just wanting it.

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      6 months ago

      I agree with everything you said but it is worth noting that those Dems who support Israel are few and may be easily offset by winning votes from other communities that are outraged by everything happening.

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        6 months ago

        Perhaps I was a bit biased in saying that, as there are some neighborhoods in my city that are predominantly democrat, and they have a number of pro-israel signs up.