For some reason I’ve just never liked Spider-Man. He comes off as a whiney, ignorant child that never seems to grow up or mature despite everything he goes through. I love a good coming of age story, but he just never seems to become an adult.

  • j4k3@lemmy.worldEnglish
    613·
    6 months ago

    Tony Stark - oligarchic propagandist for normalizing the myth of exceptionalism

    • magnetosphere@fedia.io
      191·
      6 months ago

      I like him because he would loudly agree with you, then let you pick one of his sports cars for having the balls to call him out.

    • Stardust@kbin.social
      141·
      6 months ago

      The thing about his movie is that he was like, almost okay. Iron Man I was about him learning that selling weapons = bad. He could have continued his moral development.
      Instead, we got him fighting Captain America over a very stupid implementation of ‘oversight’ (coming from the guy who refuses to let gov. oversee his iron man development), being creepy to some random boy he just met (actually twice - first Peter and then some kid I don’t remember; in a better set of movies I don’t think Peter would be very thrilled to realize Iron Man was advocating for Peter to get outed in a national registry), and having a snit fit about how he doesn’t want to help Unsnap people who died because he personally is OK with his future with his daughter who may or may not be a robot he built to mime having humanity.

      What makes him really insufferable for me is his fans who think Captain America is EVIL for daring to snub poor Tony, and that Tony should go date Loki (no I’m not kidding; while I am happy with Loki being queer, I really can’t see the Marvel Universe Tony being a good date for, well, anyone ever, nor Loki being a good date until he works out his genocidal tendency issues at which point he threatens to become alas a much less interesting character).

      • kora@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        181·
        6 months ago

        Eh, people only fawn over him because RDJ is just perfect in the role, and in a way marked his comeback from some really public struggles.

        Chris Evans is great (and a huuunk!) but he’s was/is much younger and plays the role of Government-BrandedHeroWhoIsBasicallyJustSoldierWhoAteHisWheaties.

        Chris does the job well, but I mean, RDJ kills, and IMHO is a massive reason marvel got to continue making movies.

      • magnetosphere@fedia.io
        13·
        6 months ago

        his daughter who may or may not be a robot he built to mime having humanity

        First time I’ve ever heard of this. It it alluded to in the film? My initial reaction is that it couldn’t be true, simply because Pepper wouldn’t be willing to play along.

    • xkforce@lemmy.world
      12·
      6 months ago

      Stark was literally written to be a character that people should by all rights despise but was nonetheless a hero. That was entirely the point of him.