Alt text: Using AI is the coolest new way to let people know you have no imagination of your own
ChatGPT is great for yapping about patriotism for a school history essay, but It’s completely unable to write anything useful or sensible. So I’ll keep on doing things like art, storywriting and programming myself, but I’ll use whatever cheats I have available for the pointless things I’m forced to do.
I’ve had some really cool image ideas I would have never been able to create myself, so take your artist elitism and shove it.
Just pick up a pencil!
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Okay. I write lyrics and have Suno turn them into full songs to make wife laugh. My wife laughs. But according to you I don’t have any imagination because I’m not a multivocal singer, can’t play any instruments, don’t have my own band to play for her on demand? Fuck off.
Yup, get good
For personal use I see little issue with it. If you, however, start publishing them, suppressing other voices and/or making money off of it, it becomes less clear.
Well, I’ve shared my creations because I think they’re funny too, and maybe other people will, but I’m not gonna put them on an album and sell them! I’m just arguing the creative side of it. Those tracks wouldn’t exist without my lyrics, and I typically go through a bunch of “takes” to get the melodies and rhythms I want, so for someone to say there’s no imagination involved feels thoroughly unfair to me.
AI art is real art because people get mad at it
AI art is real art because people made it.
Good to see people finally stop being a bunch of reactionaries about it.
Artists make art using tools. AI is a tool. Bad artists still make bad art regardless of tools.
EDIT: Getting down voted by n00bs that don’t even know a DDIM from a Euler A but call folks ‘prompters’ like it’s derogatory.
You’ve still gotta be good at prompt engineering to make great AI art.
Like you said - it’s a tool which requires nuanced skill like any other art. It just happens to lower the barrier to entry a pretty significant amount
Anyone can make a work.
Not every work is art.
You know what, I’ll accept this.
Thomas Kinkade agrees. Or his ghost-artists do, anyway.
Look up what people used to say about digital art and tell me if history repeats itself or not
I was actually there. The backlash against digital art usually came from:
- people who were otherwise already elittist towards one or two painting styles and media,
- art gallery regulars (they can’t sell JPEGs or PSDs),
- poor people as back then graphics tablets were way more expensive and alternatives to Wacom also worse (the patents for their battery-free pens haven’t expired yet), thus it was cheaper to buy paint and/or markers.
As much as I have issues with AI, I feel like it would actually help you get your imagination set down in a way you could actually show people? Like I can think of a wonderful scene in my head, but I can’t even draw a straight line with a ruler and you want me to draw that scene? Hell no, and lack of ability isn’t lack of imagination, it’s just a skill issue.
Drawing however is a vital part of the creative process. Creativity is not only about getting your mental image on paper, but also to learn and hone your limits as an artist.
Bob Ross said that stuff about “happy little accidents” for a reason.
I’d argue that creativity shouldn’t be linked to technical skill. I’ve met people who have really creative ideas and solutions that they couldn’t carry out because they couldn’t weld, machine, do carpentry, paint, draw, or otherwise carry out their idea. Are they not creative? Sure, to be a great artist you need those skills, and using AI does not make you an artist as a result, but using AI to demonstrate your creativity shouldn’t be demonised. Creating AI using other people’s IP without their permission should be demonised.
Trust me there are a lot of accidents with AI generators
But they’re never interesting. It’s never due to some human factor, but always a “huh, I guess the stochastic model doesn’t work properly.”
So a
paraplegicquadriplegic can’t be creative? 🤔Or, let me rephrase because this is a serious question testing the limits of your statement: what impact would you say being
a paraplegicunable to perform basic motor functions has on someone’s ability to create art, given that (according to you) they cannot perform such critical parts of the creative process?Of course paraplegics can create art. The vital part is “uutting the work in” and being playful with your limits. Paraplegics still hve limits, don’t they?
The usual argument goes “finally, I can create art that ‘looks good’”. But “looking good” isn’t really the main point of art. It’s a human expression and that includes supposed “mistakes”.
Well first off, most paraplegics still have use of their arms, so drawing should not be a problem there.
Quadriplegics have access to digital interfaces and there are many example of an artists who use their mouths to paint. Henry Salas has lost function in 90% of his body and has been a digital artist for over a decade. https://www.henrysalas.com/digital-art
Well first off, most paraplegics still have use of their arms, so drawing should not be a problem there
Lol fair enough, my bad, I’m still shaking off the sleep, I did mean quadriplegics!
So then in this view it’s not just using your extremities to create art, but any part of your body, which is a crucial part of the process. Your mouth, a foot, a nostril - all valid bodily extensions to interface with the world and create “real art” with.
But language is another interface between someone’s mind and the world; why is that not a valid extension to create art with? What about people who generate their AI art piecemeal, using inpainting and careful prompting to correct features they don’t want? What about professional photographers using their existing knowledge of photography to create award-winning compositions entirely with AI? Is it fair to say these people have no imagination?
The issue is when people use chatgpt or whatever to form a reply for them, like i get that people can’t draw hence cannot implement said imagination, but…word? It doesn’t have to be fancy, just type out what they have in mind. It happened right in Lemmy as well.
Dunno man, sounds like an imagination issue.
Sounds like you can’t imagine how shit I am at art
lmao the proompter cope in this thread is real
Maybe other people just enjoy something and there’s no reason to put them down for it. I wish I knew something you enjoyed so I could make fun of you for it. Sad person.
ah yes im so very sorry, i should have kept the feelings of people who gladly feed on stolen labor and exploitation of the global south for their slop generator to work, in mind uwu
fuck outta here lmaoo
people who gladly feed on stolen labor and exploitation of the global south for their slop generator to work
What is this even supposed to refer to
besides the fact that the models are trained on stolen, copyrighted work, the output is trash without millions of man hours painstakingly tuning it: https://www.cjr.org/tow_center/qa-uncovering-the-labor-exploitation-that-powers-ai.php
of the global south
I meant this part specifically.
I already know y’all think storing the .01% of data derived from the images is theft. What’s the labor specifically being stolen from “the global south”??Edit: my bad for skimming the whole comment lol, I see now
I dont have an imagination of my own and still I dont use AI
I understand not liking AI but you don’t have to be a jerk to aphantasics to do it
Aphantasiacs have imagination though, it’s just not images
You are correct, what would be the correct term for this? I tried looking up ‘no imagination’ and all I got was results about aphantasia.
That and you need to be pretty imaginative to get some nice results from prompts
“boobs big tits heavy chesticles smothering me to death”
Nice
The modern Leonardo da vinci, ladies and gentlemen
who needs imagination when you have algorithms to do the thinking for you? 😜
This was chat GPTs attempt at writing a funny reply to this post.
I believe that people with a good imagination actually make use of Ai better, they can generate way more interesting prompts.
Then the choice of where to do inpainting and outpainting with further prompts is a very artistic decision.
They’re a replacement for skills and knowledge, not imagination.
This is why people point out that they lack skills and knowledge.
I like these apps to help me come up with ideas for different story concepts.
Jokes on you, I don’t need AI to tell me that. I couldn’t make a good build in Minecraft if you held me at gunpoint.
there is a lot of nuance in the discussion, but a lot of people just want a quick black and white answer. you can use AI to supplement other artistic projects (like using AI to create images for a comic you wrote), so i don’t agree with the premise of the post
but i also don’t agree with people who say that AI is just another tool. i think that it is a paradigm changing tool, that is going to make us have to rethink how we interact with art.
