With the take-up of electric vehicles across Australia commercial market considered "pretty modest" so far, those supporting an EV garbage truck trial in Shepparton believe its important to start chipping away towards a transition.
The brakes assuning they’re pneumatic still would still make a lot of noise, I was thinking it’s great because you won’t hear the truck coming for 45 minutes before it gets to you.
The battery pack wouldn’t be amongst the crushing section of the truck so the fires wouldn’t be much worse then the 900 litres of diesel and 150 litres of hydraulic oil that could go up in a regular rubbish truck.
My only concern as with all things electric for a solution is are we just pushing the environmental impact up the road. Will all these batteries become a hazard, will the increased requirements to charge all these vehicles increase power plant emissions worsening the effects of coal over regular vehicle emissions?
Especially when we look at modern diesel engines with a DEF system pushing out mostly water and nitrogen out the exhaust with very little NOx
The advantage of EVs is they’ll get cleaner over time. If you bought one of those Nissan Leafs in 2012, you would have charged it using quite a lot of coal generated electricity. That same car today would use probably half coal and half solar. As coal continues to exit the grid and we build out more solar, emissions from EVs already on the road will keep dropping.
If you buy a diesel today, it’s still going to be burning diesel in 2040.
It’s also more efficient. You lose somewhere around 20 - 30% of the fuel-energy in a combustion engine, but about half that for an electric, since the generator can always run at its most efficient without ramping up and down much, and you don’t waste as much energy from the fuel running the plant.
@Aussiemandeus@Baku as a country that struggled to recycle glass how are we going to recycle batteries that are infinitely more toxic.
There is this push for all Aussie car owners to have electric, but we have no commitments to improve electrical infrastructure, why is it the individuals responsibility to make changes, where is the push for better public transport.
We model our society and cities after the US, with sprawling suburbs and car centric neighbourhoods, why not make it easier to choose a bus over car a train over gridlock traffic. Focus on a better society, better urban planning and people will make better choices around cars.
May as well go to nuclear and deal with that waste. Save the steps and in 50 years we will find. A solution for it
Too slow to build, too expensive, and too mired in politics and legal issues. So the only result will be that coal and gas stick around for even longer. Which is precisely why conservative parties are pushing nuclear.
but we have no commitments to improve electrical infrastructure
Do you mean transmission, or the electricity supply? Because there is plenty happening on both fronts, and so many people have solar panels that they can already do some or all of their charging with renewable energy.
Agreed 100% on your second paragraph, but it will take some time and work to get there. I hope to see buses go 100% electric too, as that’s such an obvious case and will further press the advantage of public transport over private cars.
I hear the garbage truck brakes way before I hear the engine.
Electric vehicles do put less load on the brakes thanks to regenerative charging. I bet the trucks will still be plenty loud in other ways as well. The lifting and compaction mechanisms alone can be heard a ways away.
The brakes assuning they’re pneumatic still would still make a lot of noise, I was thinking it’s great because you won’t hear the truck coming for 45 minutes before it gets to you.
The battery pack wouldn’t be amongst the crushing section of the truck so the fires wouldn’t be much worse then the 900 litres of diesel and 150 litres of hydraulic oil that could go up in a regular rubbish truck.
My only concern as with all things electric for a solution is are we just pushing the environmental impact up the road. Will all these batteries become a hazard, will the increased requirements to charge all these vehicles increase power plant emissions worsening the effects of coal over regular vehicle emissions?
Especially when we look at modern diesel engines with a DEF system pushing out mostly water and nitrogen out the exhaust with very little NOx
The advantage of EVs is they’ll get cleaner over time. If you bought one of those Nissan Leafs in 2012, you would have charged it using quite a lot of coal generated electricity. That same car today would use probably half coal and half solar. As coal continues to exit the grid and we build out more solar, emissions from EVs already on the road will keep dropping.
If you buy a diesel today, it’s still going to be burning diesel in 2040.
It’s also more efficient. You lose somewhere around 20 - 30% of the fuel-energy in a combustion engine, but about half that for an electric, since the generator can always run at its most efficient without ramping up and down much, and you don’t waste as much energy from the fuel running the plant.
They would surely be regenerative
@Aussiemandeus @Baku as a country that struggled to recycle glass how are we going to recycle batteries that are infinitely more toxic.
There is this push for all Aussie car owners to have electric, but we have no commitments to improve electrical infrastructure, why is it the individuals responsibility to make changes, where is the push for better public transport.
We model our society and cities after the US, with sprawling suburbs and car centric neighbourhoods, why not make it easier to choose a bus over car a train over gridlock traffic. Focus on a better society, better urban planning and people will make better choices around cars.
LFP batteries are taking over from the older NMC chemistry, and LFP doesn’t have those expensive toxic materials in them.
It’s like this technology is making things better wow
That’s what I mean about kicking the can down the road.
We’re jumping to electric vehicles so fast with very few logistical solutions.
May as well go to nuclear and deal with that waste. Save the steps and in 50 years we will find. A solution for it
Too slow to build, too expensive, and too mired in politics and legal issues. So the only result will be that coal and gas stick around for even longer. Which is precisely why conservative parties are pushing nuclear.
To slow to hard was the issue 20 years ago.
The tree planted 20 years ago is better than the tree planted today but in 20 years time today’s tree is there
The previous LNP government could not build car parks.
There is zero chance there will be nuclear power plants in Australia in the next 20 years.
Renewables are cheaper and faster to build. In Australia with the renewable resources we have nuclear just doesn’t make sense to start building today.
Do you mean transmission, or the electricity supply? Because there is plenty happening on both fronts, and so many people have solar panels that they can already do some or all of their charging with renewable energy.
Agreed 100% on your second paragraph, but it will take some time and work to get there. I hope to see buses go 100% electric too, as that’s such an obvious case and will further press the advantage of public transport over private cars.
I hear the garbage truck brakes way before I hear the engine.
Electric vehicles do put less load on the brakes thanks to regenerative charging. I bet the trucks will still be plenty loud in other ways as well. The lifting and compaction mechanisms alone can be heard a ways away.