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I had a feeling they’ll put something like this, so I went in every now and then to see how infinity will react. I really loved the app, devs did an amazing job
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I find it extremely ironic that all the closed source apps, some with subscription options, are closing or moving to support open platforms, while the prime FOSS app is staying with Reddit and going subscription only.
IKR… This doesn’t feels right lol.
oof. the only reason I even used infinity was to browse reddit without an account. now there’s less of a reason to use it past July.
Is is because the sole developer was actually a CS student, now looking for a first job (sick what he achieved at his age right ?) so he has no time to change the app to support Lemmy. However he said that should someone pick up the development, it should not be to hard to integrate the new feeds to it.
See 2nd link in the post.
Even more reason not to deal with a dickish corporation and be on the knife edge of possibly being tens of thousands in the red, if you’re fresh out of school.
I think it is great for resume for applying jobs
Owning money to reddit?
nah having an app that is being used by thousands of people and got name recognition
I see. That’s a good things.
Previous post mentioned owning $$$ unless I misunderstood.
It is baffling but maybe he sees that there will be very few decent third party apps and an opportunity to monetize his work. I have seen discussion of scripts that compile infinity from source with a personal API key. So, the FOSS option still being maintained is a win I guess. 🤷🏻♂️
True, I just worry that the dev will get screwed by Reddit. If I were a dev or doing some business, I wouldn’t touch Reddit with a very long stick. It’s like poking a huge dung, you can only get a swarm of flies.
They certainly will be screwed somehow, at some point. If they give this little warning. I doubt Reddit will disclose changes quick enough for there not to be an eventual case of a huge bill randomly, and many “oh shit” moments for the developer
I suppose no one else will be able to monetise it because all revenue will go straight to Reddit
I don’t think it’s ironic at all - Infinity is and always has been a Reddit client. Subscription fees seems to be the only possible way for it to continue to be a Reddit client and if only a small number of people are willing to pay, then that’s fine. It’s an open source project and doesn’t need to make enough money to pay a salary. It just needs to pay the API costs.
Infinity also doesn’t need any of it’s existing contributors to continue using it, they could all move on (perhaps start work on a Lemmy clinet?) and other people might keep developing Infinity. Open source projects change hands all the time.
If someone wants to make the app into a client for another platform, they can simply fork Infinity. It doesn’t make any sense for Infinity itself to change into a totally different app. And it would be totally different, Lemmy has different features.
Infinity is open source. https://github.com/Docile-Alligator/Infinity-For-Reddit
That’s what I meant? Infinity is FOSS and signing subscription with the devil.
Real odd. Those who use Foss maybe moving towards trying to cut themselves off from reddit, subscription models are ones that are going to mainly appeal to power users of reddit who don’t intend to stop.
And I would guess those users would be more drawn to the official app than the third party app, since third party or api might be things they don’t care about.
Yeah it’s baffling. I haven’t touched Reddit since the blackout but I still had my Infinity app installed, just out of nostalgia I guess. While the dev has every right to do businesses with whomever he wants, I expected differently from a FOSS project. Now to delete Infinity…
I’m going to delete infinity on July 1st
This! I couldn’t believe what I was reading when I saw this post…
A number of devs talked about the pricing and the consensus seems to be that the fee applied to keep the apps afloat would need to be pretty high and they don’t see how it can be sustainable.
I wonder how much Infinity is planning on asking and I doubt its user base will be so keen on paying that much.
Yeah like $5 a month for more casual users. And people paying for apps tend to use them more. I think Apollo’s calculations were like $10-12/mo for higher end users? Anything over $5/mo is probably a no-go so I wonder if it’ll be viable.
And if Infinity’s userbase makes $5/mo viable, I wonder if they’ll get flocks of users from other apps and if that’ll make it non-viable with high-traffic users.
Or maybe they’ll go with a post-paid plan where you pay by usage? That seems iffy.
Keep in mind too, that even with the paid API usage to the best of my knowledge the 3PA still will not have NSFW/porn content in the feed. How many people are going to be willing to spend $5-10/mo while also having reduced content?
I certainly won’t that’s for sure. I’m a current infinity user.
Which is nuts. I was Apollo Ultra, and that was $10/year.
I honestly never looked into Reddit premium until all the API drama and was shocked it is $50/year, while only offering a fraction of what Apollo offered. Crazy pricing.
It would be cool if it gave the option to pay more per month as a donation. That would allow wealthy users to help lower the cost for less wealthy users
The other weird part is, I’m sure a lot of Lemmy users would be more than happy to donate much more to a good cause than an average Google Store app user who can ask for refund at any time and then leave 1 star.
I was really hoping to see an “Infinity for Lemmy” app. Oh well; Jerboa it is I guess.
Edit: spelling
I heard that Sync for Lemmy is going to be a thing.
Yes! All my hopes are on that
I’m trying out Connect For Lemmy which came out a few days ago, seems nicer than Jerboa to me so far.
https://wefwef.app/ is surprisingly good, by far the best Lemmy app I’ve tried so far.
Liftoff is pretty good
I need to second this one! Tried some of the apps that came out in the past couple of weeks/days and Liftoff is the one I stuck with. The button at the top where you can switch to different instances with a single tap actually made me better understand the whole way Fediverse works. Now I switch between Beehaw, Lemmy world and some of the more obscure ones super simple (I am sure one could do this with other apps also but with Liftoff it just clicked for me).
My homescreen is still littered with a lot of the same stuff because a lot of instances have similar stuff on them but this is the first time I have something resembling control over the content I am reading in the Fediverse.
(still mourning the loss of RIF and it’s simple and incredible easy to use interface. I truly hope RIF’s dev makes an app for Lemmy!)
Social media as a business model rapidly becomes unethical
cough more unethical
I was an Infinity user but I can’t help but feel this is the wrong move. After all Reddit has done to them they just set up a way to siphon miney straight to them for the devs’ hard work?
Why?
Infinity is open source. You can change the key and user agent (and one more field, but it escapes me at the moment), compile your own APK, and continue using it for free.
The new version will not be.
Where did you see that? He said he’s charging for it and would not tell anyone how to change things to get past reddit, but that there’s a guide already out there that will walk people through the changes that need to be made.
I’d be interested in seeing where he said he’s no longer providing source code updates.
Edit: Apparently the dev is a she, not a he. I shouldn’t have assumed. I wanted to set the record straight.
Will it work without the reddit API though? Maybe if there’s a way to scrape the site but idk how everything else could be handled.
you need to get it for yourself, but you won’t be able to see nsfw at july 1 :(
What do you mean “without the API”? The API still exists. If you don’t want to subscribe to need to use your own API Key (sign up as a dev with Reddit), change the user agent, and change the redirect URL.
They are trying to be compliant with the reddit tos
And isn’t it a little unethical not to even mention nsfw?
Image Transcription: Text and Image
[Screenshot of the Infinity app for Reddit. A pop-up notification is on the bottom of the screen.]
Important Notice Regarding Reddit API Changes
Starting from July 1st, 2023, Reddit API will be pay-per-use for 3rd-party clients, which include Infinity for Reddit. The announcement from Reddit can be found here: https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/145bram/addressing_the_community_about_changes_to_our_api
In order to survive this change, Infinity will become a subscription-only app after July 1st. You can learn more about the changes in this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/Infinity_For_Reddit/comments/147bhsg/the_future_of_infinity
It’s required for you to update Infinity after July 1st so that you will get the new version with subscription options. None of the previous versions (including this one) will work after July 1st. But due to a tight timeline Reddit gave, the update may not be available immediately on July 1st since it requires proper testing. Thank you for your understanding!
I’m a human volunteer content transcriber and you could be too!
Good human
There’s a Lemmy ToR? ToL? I’m in. 30 transcriptions on reddit, time to carry on the legacy.
I created !TranscribersOfLemmy@discuss.tchncs.de but we got a lot of work to do.
That would be the client I used - it’s a shame they’re being pushed to this.
Once that app goes subscription, I’ll run a purge on my account and drop in a GDPR request invoking my right to be deleted.
The apps for lemmy have good potential once the bugs are resolved, but in terms of UI design, nothing beats Infinty imo
That one downvote? Is that you Apollo lover (I am too but it wasn’t I)
Idk have you used boost? It’s incredible
ye bro I went around trying a bunch, but ended up coming back to Boost after a full cycle. I can’t pinpoint what it is, but it felt absolutely incredible (as are the other apps, but this one was extra incredible for me)
I guess it just had everything I wanted, the other ones might’ve had a few niche things that weren’t ideal for me
Same here, tried a bunch of apps, but none of them came even close to Boost. I’m sad af that I’ll have to stop using it in a couple of days and that there won’t be Boost for Lemmy.
I agree infinity’s ui was the best
Personally I thought Slide was better until it got discontinued after that infinity was best.
There goes the client I used. I deleted my reddit accounts already anyway.
I love Infinity but I deleted the app the instant I read that, I was gonna wait until July 1st to see if something changes, but damn
Even if they setup a subscription model, the api is not going to give them access to any nsfw content. Who will pay for a subscription to not be able to see any nsfw stuff, while they can get it for free on the Reddit app?
Wow, not even Sync dared to charge a subscription adjusted to the new API price. I wonder how much Infinity’s going to charge.
A subscription to what would now be a lesser product since you can’t access NAFW content. The whole thing is sad. I deleted Sync the other day after using it for like 10 years.
Yeah, I feel bad for the developers that are trying to make it work, but I don’t think it’s gonna fly. Sync developer already moved to work on a Lemmy app.
Yeah, I bought the $30 support Sync bundle a while ago, and I will buy another one to support him, especially if it supports Kbin.
I’ve heard though a few others that sync supposedly will support Kbin but not on release. Hopefully someone can verify.
what’s the point of paying for the API then?
Sync I paid for cus it was just so slick, Infinity not so much. I certainly won’t pay.
Why so many of you in the comments are complaining that he “is trying to make business with Reddit”? It is his own app, he is finishing his studies and he have achieved so many things, he has the right to do whaterver he wants with his application. Also, you can just download the Infinity’s source code and build your own version of Infinity with your own API key. It will work without any problem after 1 July. So where is the problem there?
What are they going to charge?
Any number higher than FREE.99 is too high just to access Reddit.
Definitely. I’m just curious what amount makes it worthwhile to keep the app alive
Couldn’t agree more!
A least $15 a month.
Non power users probably wont pay, and any lower and they’ll definitely lose money.
I don’t see how paying more than Netflix will do anything other than kill that app.
It’s going to be a slow glorious death
I thought all the power users were banned or not bothered powering anymore?
I guess if the app’s dead either way, they don’t see any harm in giving it a try.
It’s just giving money away to Reddit.
That’s the real issue. I would have gladly paid Apollo $5-$10 a month considering how much I used the app and loved it but the fact that so much of it doesn’t go to the developer because Reddit wants to charge 27x more for 3rd party users is ridiculous.
Reddit fully intends to kill third party apps slowly while milking their dying bodies for profit
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I only read from the Apollo guy, that the amount of requests the users of his app make, would get him to pay reddit 20 million a year. So, the more popular your 3rd party app is, the more they would have to pay Reddit.
The one i use, Sync for Reddit, is also dying before the 1st of July arrives. From there on, the new prices apply.
Reddits motivation for this, is to get paid for API access by companies like ChatGPT. They suck reddits content, our posts, in order to feed the AI with content. I assume they do it big style and Reddit wants to cash in for this.
Reddits motivation for this, is to get paid for API access by companies like ChatGPT. They suck reddits content, our posts, in order to feed the AI with content. I assume they do it big style and Reddit wants to cash in for this.
That’s not their only motivation otherwise they’d be charging only the companies like chatgpt for access
They’re charging one of the third party apps $20 million for api access
Reddit will just get scraped then.
