Xi Jinping is also a dictator.

I was gaming with friends on Discord when the topic of China passingly came up and one guy started going off about how China and Russia are both socially backward authoritarian dictatorships and how China is communist in name only, oppresses its minority groups and no true socialist should support them.

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Anyway, they’re also pro-NATO

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    “Han” is also extremely difficult to draw a clear boundary around to gatekeep since there’s so much linguistic, cultural, and physical diversity within that group.

    There’s at least two major dialects and literally countless local dialects, variations on style of dress, food, customs, festivals, even ways of playing common games like majong that makes it extremely difficult to separate out a “Han” identity from a “Chinese” identity. Physically, I have Han friends who are darker in complextion than my Vietnamese friends, some taller than most Euros, etc etc.

    The point is that anyone who speaks a Chinese language and understands Chinese culture could very easily self-identify as Han and literally nobody could say otherwise.

    Conversely, within the PRC it’s actually non-Han minority status that is gatekept because of the generous subsidies and additional rights (preferential university entry, exemption from family planning policies, etc) which are given to minorities.

    The One Child Policy is especially illustrative of this point - minorities were completely exempted from this Policy whereas the majority Han group was governed by it. What kind of Ethnofascist suppresses births in the group they supposedly think is superior?

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      Conversely, within the PRC it’s actually non-Han minority status that is gatekept because of the generous subsidies and additional rights (preferential university entry, exemption from family planning policies, etc) which are given to minorities.

      I’ve got a friend who’d like 3/4 Han but legally Zhuang because his parents and grandparents realised it’d be beneficial to keep the minority identity. It’s a pretty goofy system.

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        It’s a bit goofy but it’s the least potentially bad system. The alternatives are either calipers level “ethnography” or keeping registers of people by ethnicity which could fall into the wrong hands if something goes wrong.

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      “Han” is also extremely difficult to draw a clear boundary around to gatekeep since there’s so much linguistic, cultural, and physical diversity within that group.

      The issue with this is that libs will say “Han” is analogous to “White” in that there’s tonnes of ethnicities within “White” but that doesn’t stop someone being a white supremacist. It’s an argument I have seen from the libs that are less stupid but still buried waist deep in the anti china propaganda.

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        The key difference being that historically whites spent a whole bunch of time and resources trying to gatekeep whiteness whereas China spent a lot of time and resources trying to sinicize people into “Han” status.

        If they hit me with this argument I just point to the one child policy and ask for examples of white supremacist countries passing laws limiting white births.

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          Uhhhh literally every single day in europe I hear people talk about how those damn migrants need to assimilate integrate into our society lol. 2 faced pieces of shit literally all engage in that.

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              A lot of supposed sensible middle class Europeans have a weird conception about multiculturalism, where they genuinely believe that people who migrate to their countries (or come as refugees) should immediately bow down to the superiority of “European culture”, and begin dressing, speaking and acting exactly like majority. I know personally that a lot of the good, decent people I grew up around abhor racism (in the sense that they dislike the overtly fascist parties, of which we have far too many) while still spouting all the same right wing talking points as the far right. They will celebrate in public when the völkish fascist party have their worst election results ever, while ignoring that pretty much every party outside of the fringe left have completely adopted their policies.