• Ashyr@sh.itjust.works
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    7 months ago

    Dear God, I knew he was the worst already, but it seems every new thing I learn only makes it even worse.

    I knew he was the proto-trump, but this is perhaps the Trumpiest thing I’ve heard yet.

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      I had a history professor in college that once said in a lecture that it is impossible for someone who lived through something to view it historically because of perception and bias. I think of him every time I see something like this because it makes me wish I could live long enough to read historical analyses of stuff like Reagan’s presidency. Hopefully history will be able to truthfully describe what he did to our country.

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        I wasn’t there for it, he’s a real piece of shit though and I don’t get why people liked him other than him telling them to live like there’s no tomorrow and completely separate investment from material value.

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          The mid to late 70s were pretty dismal. Stagflation, crazy interest rates, the gas crisis, etc. I was in middle school in 1980 so I didn’t have a lot of life experience at the time but I remember how his speeches made people feel hopeful for the first time in a long while.

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            It’s also very easy to look back and “realize” how bad he was/is.

            But at the time, like you said, things weren’t so clear, and Reagan won like 90% of the electoral vote, it was a massive landslide. Carter only won like 6 states.

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              I was there and I can tell you two things with absolute truth:

              • He was a real piece of shit President from the start, no one except the GOP base was fooled, same as today
              • In the absence of “her emails” or a russian-backed influence and money campaign, the GOP literally asked Iran to hold the hostages from the American embassy until the election was over to hurt Carter. “Nightline” ran every night saying how much Carter sucked. And it did hurt his election tremendously. If that didn’t tell you what you needed to know, then the next several decades’ worth of slide-into-abject-fascism was not going to be noticed either. (And, as we can plainly see, it wasn’t)
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                Hey, thanks for your post. I’m not from the US and the bit about the hostages was unknown to me.

                Sounds like a parallel to what was going on with the military help for Ukraine just now…

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              Also as I ubderstand it a lot of the issues with the Reagan administration could be dismissed as just general “things going wrong” and we only saw how bad he was after a lot of shit leaked post presidency.

              But I am working off my understanding im 24 Reagan may as well have been dead for my entire lifetime, hell he may have been he died in 2004 but I doubt there was much left of his mind.

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                No. Not at all. He was clearly bankrupting the American taxpayer and giving that money to the rich and the defense contractors. Like, obviously. He stripped all the environmental money, all the school money, all the health services money, and gave it to the rich. Just like that. He basically ran on that.

                “Trickle down” was his. For real, not a single reasonable person thought that was ever going to be a thing. And, forty years later we damned well better be able to say - it wasn’t.

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                  Oh that shit was obvious for sure its just people ignored it. I was moreso referring to the insane shit like the astrologer and Nancy being way too influential.

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          Hollywood in the 80s (and other media) was on board with pushing this corporate agenda. I hate to give Reagan enough credit to claim he was solely responsible.

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          Oliver Sacks had an essay in one of his books, called, “The President’s Speech,” which we can work out referred to Reagan, based on the timeline. It was about watching a televised speech with a group of total aphasic people. As they were unable to understand language, they just watched the presentation and pomp, as well as the President’s body language.

          They all found it a hoot. They laughed and laughed, and had a grand old time.

          This suggests to me that Reagan was popular based on his personal affect, bypassing his supporters’ critical thinking and appealing to them on an emotional, subconscious level. That’s why none of them could give a coherent answer as to why they liked him.

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      Reagan was a proto-Trump, Bush I was a proto-Trump, and Bush II was a proto-Trump. Trump is not some new phenomenon, he’s just a somewhat more repulsive version of shit that’s been going on for 45+ years now.

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        Reagan actually is a proto-trump. The others I’d argue aren’t. Reagan was an actor who won because of a populist push using their charisma (which I don’t see with Trump but it works for some reason). The Bush family were politicians who got into power through the normal political path. Sure, they were still fairly populist, but they weren’t outsiders working off of only stardom. Hell, MAGA is a Reagan slogan. He’s the proto-trump.

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          The Bush family were politicians who got into power through the normal political path.

          AKA providing material support to and doing business with the Nazis, iirc.

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          Reagan was a union leader in the 40s and 50s, governor of California in the 60s, and elected president in 84 - he didn’t just go from acting to being president, he had a lot more political experience and track record than Trump.

          Sure he had charisma and was a good public speaker, but that’s pretty much what got Obama the presidency as well.

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            [Regan] had a lot more political experience and track record than Trump.

            That’s like saying I have a better high jump than someone born without legs. Sure I can jump so much higher than them, but that’s nothing to brag about.

            Regan was still a massive idiot who was woefully unprepared to be president, and was such an idiot that he would let his wife call a psychic to advise him on the most random bullshit around, down to when to land the fucking plane.

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      Dear God, I knew he was the worst already,

      He cut off funding to Israel after their illegal attacks on Palestinians.

      And he thought the tax rates on the wealthiest should be higher than most modern Democrats do now.

      Still a total shitshow of a president. But “the worst” is a stretch. I mean shit, trump hasn’t been out of office 4 years yet. He was a lot worse than Reagan.

      If we’re only allowed to use trump as a comparison these days, Reagan wasn’t that bad

      But only comparing a president to trump isn’t logical.

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        Ronny “trickle down economics” Reagan thought taxes should be higher on wealthy folks? Are you insane? The top tax bracket went from 70% at the start of his presidency to 28% by the time he left office. What Democrat have you heard calling to drop the top tax rate below 28%?

        He was WORSE than “that bad”. Have you ever heard of something called the Iran Contra scandal?
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–Contra_affair

        And oh, by the way, he didn’t defeat the USSR, Carter did. Funding the Taliban’s war against the Soviet’s started under his watch. Ronny just took credit for it.

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        “He thought tax rates should be higher than most modern Democrats do now.”

        Holy shit, what a take. And, uh, why is it that modern Dems are at that point, again?

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        I don’t mean literally the worst as Trump absolutely holds that position. I meant it as a figure of speech in regard to how bad he was.

        I would argue Trump was only able to run because Reagan walked it out first.

        My point was on how remarkably and terrifyingly similar they were.