• oce 🐆@jlai.lu
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    8 months ago

    I am not sure the majority of the country, if they were put in the same position of power, would not do the same.

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        8 months ago

        Because I think the majority of people are easy to corrupt, it takes exceptional people to resist the temptation of an easy life for you and your relatives.

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          8 months ago

          yes! thats exactly why i say rich people are to blame for most societal issues, and the model of democracy we currently have is very flawed. both of these things concentrate too much power.

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            8 months ago

            yes! thats exactly why i say rich people are to blame for most societal issues

            But you agreed most people would do the same in their place, didn’t you? So it’s a general human issue rather than only rich people’s fault, isn’t it? Agreed that most democracies are flawed, but I still think social democracy is the best we have for now.

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              8 months ago

              not really. if we didnt allow people to get so rich in the first place, it would not be that much of a problem.

              socialism has a better track record when it comes to this of course there are exceptions either way. a lot of the good stuff in socdem comes fron socialists anyway.

              of course we dont have a 100% solution, just a possible step forward as it always is with humanity.

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                8 months ago

                Better track record to avoid rich people, but not to allow general population quality of life and prevention of an authoritarian government. I’ll take European social democracy and its rich people over it.

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                  8 months ago

                  in general the soviet union (and china for that matter) has been on the vanguard of quality of life for the common people. even vietnam is doing much better than east asians in general.

                  most of the good workers rights you see in europe came first for the soviets.

                  the problem with social democracy is that it doesnt address the rich people and they take it right back over time, as you can see in the US for example.

                  most of the socialist countries are democratic rn.

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                    8 months ago

                    Not all left ideas come from the Soviet or communist China although they participated to the experiments. Most socialist parties in EU split from USSR and communist China from the revolutions or when the economical catastrophes (Chinese famines) or atrocities (military repression of opposition and gulags) they committed were revealed. From then, it split between social democrats and communists, social democrats are simply called socialists in those countries (at least France and Spain).
                    Apart from Sanders, I think American democrats are very far from European social democrats, they rather correspond to our traditional right, which indeed doesn’t care much about rising inequalities. I think the median people live better in European social democrat countries than they ever did in communist countries.