Any time someone brings this up I wonder if they’re financed by the fossil fuel industry as it’s just such a weird point to make.
First: consider the alternatives: Every form of energy has an environmental cost associated with it. Surely we agree that while not perfect, PV is vastly superior in this regard to gas/coal/oil? It might even be less polluting than nuclear, but it’s early here and I’m too tired to research this.
Second: PV modules have a very long life span. At least 20 years. After that time, they’ll probably be operating still, but at maybe 60-80% of peak performance. That’s probably not good enough for commercial use, but I built myself a nice little garden shed solar array using “old” modules because they were basically free and I don’t care that much about peak performance in my use case. That’s to say, these things can still be used for a long time.
Third: if they ever do need to be completely recycled, well, that’s doable. In the EU, it’s actually compulsory. The processes are there, although they don’t quite scale yet. That’s mainly because there’s just not that many old modules to recycle yet.
sooo with all that going on, what exactly are you basing your point on?
It doesn’t have to be paid shills directly. In many cases, the fossil fuel industry just seeds the information through “think” tanks and opinion columns and useful idiots spread it around from there.
No it’s not lol, how would any form of energy production not generate materials that would be wasted. It’s actually a laughably bad point.
Ofc we could decrease our energy consumption, but that’s not what the point was.
I’m not against renewable energy, but it would be nich if there was a plan for recycling large amounts of old and broken solar panels if their adoption keeps accelerating
Are you new to the concept of breaking things? Jesus fuck. Photovolatic panels are already top 5 biggest contributors to ewaste. Please remove your head from your ass. It’s nuclear or nothing.
Lmao I prefer renewable energy over coal and oil but the morons like you who idolize it while ignoring the fact it’s creating insane amounts of waste is what pisses me off. You need to constantly ignore the downsides of green energy because if you didn’t you’d quickly see how fucking awful it is. The only green energy I want is nuclear. I don’t give a shit if it’s fission or fusion, it’s nuke or nothing babe.
The ewaste from photovoltaic cells is already at a billion kilograms. A billion. They’re not being recycled properly, just like plastic bottles, fuckheads dump them in the garbage. So no, fuck solar and fuck wind, both aren’t worth the massive amounts of garbage they produce. I’ll say it until my dying breath, solar and wind are not the fucking answer to climate change. Stop celebrating them.
I wonder how long until it generates incredible amounts of ewaste from broken photovolatic cells.
Behold, your precious solar panels.
Any time someone brings this up I wonder if they’re financed by the fossil fuel industry as it’s just such a weird point to make.
First: consider the alternatives: Every form of energy has an environmental cost associated with it. Surely we agree that while not perfect, PV is vastly superior in this regard to gas/coal/oil? It might even be less polluting than nuclear, but it’s early here and I’m too tired to research this.
Second: PV modules have a very long life span. At least 20 years. After that time, they’ll probably be operating still, but at maybe 60-80% of peak performance. That’s probably not good enough for commercial use, but I built myself a nice little garden shed solar array using “old” modules because they were basically free and I don’t care that much about peak performance in my use case. That’s to say, these things can still be used for a long time.
Third: if they ever do need to be completely recycled, well, that’s doable. In the EU, it’s actually compulsory. The processes are there, although they don’t quite scale yet. That’s mainly because there’s just not that many old modules to recycle yet.
sooo with all that going on, what exactly are you basing your point on?
I actually felt like this before your comment 🫡 thx for the information
I think it’s not people paid by the fuel industry but rather just disinformation spread through urban legends.
It doesn’t have to be paid shills directly. In many cases, the fossil fuel industry just seeds the information through “think” tanks and opinion columns and useful idiots spread it around from there.
Yep, you might find topics like “the kochtopus” to be a good starting point into this kind of thing
https://theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/23/david-koch-death-kochtopus-legacy-right-wing
https://www.google.com/search?q=the+kochtopus
Use nuclear you goober.
You seem like a rational, polite, and thoughtful person. Charming, even. So I’m blocking you.
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If you haven’t figured out that electronics make waste and that nuclear fission is the answer, good, you’re free to fuck right off.
Also, this isn’t an airport, you don’t need to announce your departures, thanks!
Wow, how uplifting! Keep spreading your positivity as far as you can!
It’s a fair point
No it’s not lol, how would any form of energy production not generate materials that would be wasted. It’s actually a laughably bad point. Ofc we could decrease our energy consumption, but that’s not what the point was.
I’m not against renewable energy, but it would be nich if there was a plan for recycling large amounts of old and broken solar panels if their adoption keeps accelerating
There is. See the other longer comment
You mean the guy who linked a youtube short as evidence? Yeah, no.
Are you new to the concept of breaking things? Jesus fuck. Photovolatic panels are already top 5 biggest contributors to ewaste. Please remove your head from your ass. It’s nuclear or nothing.
I mean, you create incredible amounts of waste and we still let you be here, so 🤷
Lol your ignorance is deafening. Wonder how long until photovolatic cells overtake vapes. Dipshit.
AND HERE WE ARE WITH THE BULLSHIT COMMENTS MADE WITH BAD FAITH
You’re just trying to make renewable energy look bad and / or discredit it in bad faith
That’s the aim of you trolls isn’t it
I’d replied to another commenter discussing these kinds of comments to call them out on their bullshit
May as well start with your comment
I hope others call you out on the bullshit
Lmao I prefer renewable energy over coal and oil but the morons like you who idolize it while ignoring the fact it’s creating insane amounts of waste is what pisses me off. You need to constantly ignore the downsides of green energy because if you didn’t you’d quickly see how fucking awful it is. The only green energy I want is nuclear. I don’t give a shit if it’s fission or fusion, it’s nuke or nothing babe.
The ewaste from photovoltaic cells is already at a billion kilograms. A billion. They’re not being recycled properly, just like plastic bottles, fuckheads dump them in the garbage. So no, fuck solar and fuck wind, both aren’t worth the massive amounts of garbage they produce. I’ll say it until my dying breath, solar and wind are not the fucking answer to climate change. Stop celebrating them.
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Oh shit the ewaste got to his brain, the removed can’t read! That’s a shame.
The most concerning e-waste of any renewable source is the chemicals within the battery!