Andy Young, an ex-Microsoft senior software engineer, posted a message on X/Twitter bemoaning that even with his $1,600 Core i9 CPU and 128 GB of RAM, Windows...
windows also doesn’t just “work out of the box” if we include things like microsoft account, installing software. De garbifying windows.
If you have and or ok with making an MS account, and love having a bloated system, yeah, it works out of the box.
Also, with that logitech mouse, it should be running HID protocol, anything else is just proprietary garbage. Linux literally dropped kernel support from a voodoo graphics card like half a year ago now.
As an end user, I don’t care about proprietary garbage, I want my mouse to work :). I understand the aversion to proprietary stuff etc. But non techie end users don’t give a flying fuck.
Also, everyone has had an MS account since the msn messenger and Hotmail heydays. That is an absolute non issue for 99% of the people tbh.
i mean, that’s fair i suppose. But like, Why the fuck is anybody producing a mouse that isnt using HID, and how could that possibly be beneficial? You might be talking about control software i suppose, but there are often alternative community bits for it. And it sure as hell doesn’t stop a device from working.
The entire fucking point of USB is for it to be a UNIVERSAL serial bus. Building something in such a way that you need proprietary anything to use HID drivers is just baffling levels of stupid. The entire point of having HID be a defined thing, is so that the software side, only has one driver, and the hardware manufactures, can just use it. So that it can just work
it’s not about it just working, it’s also about you as a consumer buying something, that works wherever it is, because it follows explicitly stated standards, that exist for this reason. That is a non argument. You bought a shit product, the only benefit here, is that windows happens to support an arbitrary non standard device protocol. This is like buying a car that doesn’t use a steering wheel, and being pissed off when you learn that literally every other vehicle made ever uses a steering wheel.
That blurb about the MS accounts is not true, i didn’t have one until windows 10 pestered me to get one upon install. If i hadn’t done it then, i would’ve done it later when they bought minecraft, and even them, i don’t want to sign into my OS. I just want it to turn on, and work. Regardless of the state of the internet, and my MS account. I suppose you could say, that i “just want it to work”
People just won’t be willing to use an OS that requires hours just to get connected to a network, or that won’t display at full resolution because of some driver issue. Seems like a basic QOL issue to me.
Linux is not really designed for Windows users. Windows is.
Also, Windows blows.
I use Linux for old laptops, windows for new ones, for that reason.
People just won’t be willing to use an OS that requires hours just to get connected to a network, or that won’t display at full resolution because of some driver issue. Seems like a basic QOL issue to me.
literally never had any of these issues. The closest i’ve been was a weird proprietary bluetooth tag adapter in one of thinkpads that doesn’t work. Oh well, i don’t use bluetooth, and it doesn’t have good driver support. Every intel chipset ever is supported natively (almost, debian doesn’t include non free drivers, but that’s a trivial fix) Literally just use an intel chipset, it will make your life so much easier.
I’m using a 1070 right now on my workstation, display output works just fine with proprietary nvidia drivers, i’ve also had it work just fine with nouveau drivers as well. Hell that shit literally displays at native res without any drivers, you just won’t be doing any GUI acceleration at all. X doesn’t give a shit, it just sees pixels and makes them light up.
No shit windows is designed for windows users? Who the fuck else is it designed for? Animals? This is like complaining about how big and clunky an f150 is after driving a corolla for 10 years. No shit, one of them is literally 3 times the size of the other.
You cannot go into linux expecting it to be like windows, just like you cannot walk into a wall expecting it to work like a door.
windows also doesn’t just “work out of the box” if we include things like microsoft account, installing software. De garbifying windows.
If you have and or ok with making an MS account, and love having a bloated system, yeah, it works out of the box.
Also, with that logitech mouse, it should be running HID protocol, anything else is just proprietary garbage. Linux literally dropped kernel support from a voodoo graphics card like half a year ago now.
As an end user, I don’t care about proprietary garbage, I want my mouse to work :). I understand the aversion to proprietary stuff etc. But non techie end users don’t give a flying fuck.
Also, everyone has had an MS account since the msn messenger and Hotmail heydays. That is an absolute non issue for 99% of the people tbh.
i mean, that’s fair i suppose. But like, Why the fuck is anybody producing a mouse that isnt using HID, and how could that possibly be beneficial? You might be talking about control software i suppose, but there are often alternative community bits for it. And it sure as hell doesn’t stop a device from working.
The entire fucking point of USB is for it to be a UNIVERSAL serial bus. Building something in such a way that you need proprietary anything to use HID drivers is just baffling levels of stupid. The entire point of having HID be a defined thing, is so that the software side, only has one driver, and the hardware manufactures, can just use it. So that it can just work
it’s not about it just working, it’s also about you as a consumer buying something, that works wherever it is, because it follows explicitly stated standards, that exist for this reason. That is a non argument. You bought a shit product, the only benefit here, is that windows happens to support an arbitrary non standard device protocol. This is like buying a car that doesn’t use a steering wheel, and being pissed off when you learn that literally every other vehicle made ever uses a steering wheel.
That blurb about the MS accounts is not true, i didn’t have one until windows 10 pestered me to get one upon install. If i hadn’t done it then, i would’ve done it later when they bought minecraft, and even them, i don’t want to sign into my OS. I just want it to turn on, and work. Regardless of the state of the internet, and my MS account. I suppose you could say, that i “just want it to work”
Wow. You’re really committed!
People just won’t be willing to use an OS that requires hours just to get connected to a network, or that won’t display at full resolution because of some driver issue. Seems like a basic QOL issue to me.
Linux is not really designed for Windows users. Windows is.
Also, Windows blows.
I use Linux for old laptops, windows for new ones, for that reason.
literally never had any of these issues. The closest i’ve been was a weird proprietary bluetooth tag adapter in one of thinkpads that doesn’t work. Oh well, i don’t use bluetooth, and it doesn’t have good driver support. Every intel chipset ever is supported natively (almost, debian doesn’t include non free drivers, but that’s a trivial fix) Literally just use an intel chipset, it will make your life so much easier.
I’m using a 1070 right now on my workstation, display output works just fine with proprietary nvidia drivers, i’ve also had it work just fine with nouveau drivers as well. Hell that shit literally displays at native res without any drivers, you just won’t be doing any GUI acceleration at all. X doesn’t give a shit, it just sees pixels and makes them light up.
No shit windows is designed for windows users? Who the fuck else is it designed for? Animals? This is like complaining about how big and clunky an f150 is after driving a corolla for 10 years. No shit, one of them is literally 3 times the size of the other.
You cannot go into linux expecting it to be like windows, just like you cannot walk into a wall expecting it to work like a door.