hey folks, here’s a quick update on our decision to defederate from
sh.itjust.works! (and here’s sh.itjust.works
[https://sh.itjust.works/post/129725]’s side of this update) we got in touch
with the head admin over there, The Dude, and we had a pretty good chat about
our concerns and reason for defederating. while immediate re-federation is just
bluntly off the table with the rudimentary state of Lemmy’s moderation tools, we
now have a pretty good idea of the roadmap to refederating with them. we think
we’ll eventually be able to do this, although we don’t have a timetable on when
yet. we’re also now collaborating with him on how to move forward–and in the
weeks and months to come we’ll be pushing to expedite the process of developing
some of the necessary tools. this decision has really helped us make connections
that can hopefully realize those tools both on the desktop side and in apps
being developed for Lemmy. we’re also hoping to collaborate with other Lemmy
administrators who have needs like our own, or just generally want more granular
tools at their disposal. we did also get in touch with the lemmy.world owner
prior to defederating to share the concerns that prompted us to
defederate[^1]–but we have not received any communication from him since it was
levied, so there’s no roadmap at all there as of now. we’re always open to
reconsidering and collaborating to end the defederation with him, but for now
the earliest i can give you is “when mod tools are in a better state”. that’s
all for now folks. if any new significant developments take place we’ll announce
them as needed. [^1]: we’re only bringing this up now because it was just not
useful information in the context of our announcement. it almost certainly would
have been interpreted as some sort of callousness and/or brought unnecessary
sectarianism and grief to him. at the end of the day he has his reasons and
desires for running lemmy.world how he does, and we have ours for running Beehaw
as we do. because of social and technological circumstances those are just
incompatible right now, and that’s fine.
Wasn’t it established this type of behavior isn’t acceptable towards lgbt people? Dismissing their hurt caused by others and clearly gas lighting them?
It’s also just exhausting to see this stuff over and over and over, when you’re the target. Leaving it up when it’s so clearly just bigotry with some icing on top just lets it keep hurting people and changes the culture to one that tolerates that hatred if it’s said ““politely””. It lets the bigots feel like they can hide under the " be nice" rule even though tolerance for intolerance isn’t supposed to be what that means.
It also means that if I hope something blatantly bigoted is deleted, I’m now incentivized to not reply to it at all, just leaving it to stand without objection and with however many upvotes it gets, since apparently my replying is being treated as a reason to keep the bigotry up. That just feels gross.
I will absolutely leave here if this kind of thing keeps being tolerated. I want a place I can exist without having bigotry thrown in my face, not somewhere that I’m expected to put up with bigots in order to maybe, possibly, somehow educate them. That is not my job; I just want to exist without having to be constantly on-guard.
We’ve talked about this a bit in depth in our philosophy documents, but not nearly enough in depth to get all of our thoughts on page in a coherent manner. We’re working on accelerating a piece of mod philosophy on this specific topic to help you and others understand where we sit on issues like this.
Thank you for your reply. May we message privately please? What you say is valid and I agree you and others shouldn’t have to continues being fighting for your right to peacefully live your life even inside of “safe space” particularly just makes this extra awful. Them allowing that content to stand up violates the whole spirit of a " safe space", they claim to be aiming for.
It’s also just exhausting to see this stuff over and over and over, when you’re the target. Leaving it up when it’s so clearly just bigotry with some icing on top just lets it keep hurting people and changes the culture to one that tolerates that hatred if it’s said ““politely””. It lets the bigots feel like they can hide under the " be nice" rule even though tolerance for intolerance isn’t supposed to be what that means.
It also means that if I hope something blatantly bigoted is deleted, I’m now incentivized to not reply to it at all, just leaving it to stand without objection and with however many upvotes it gets, since apparently my replying is being treated as a reason to keep the bigotry up. That just feels gross.
I will absolutely leave here if this kind of thing keeps being tolerated. I want a place I can exist without having bigotry thrown in my face, not somewhere that I’m expected to put up with bigots in order to maybe, possibly, somehow educate them. That is not my job; I just want to exist without having to be constantly on-guard.
We’ve talked about this a bit in depth in our philosophy documents, but not nearly enough in depth to get all of our thoughts on page in a coherent manner. We’re working on accelerating a piece of mod philosophy on this specific topic to help you and others understand where we sit on issues like this.
Thank you for your reply. May we message privately please? What you say is valid and I agree you and others shouldn’t have to continues being fighting for your right to peacefully live your life even inside of “safe space” particularly just makes this extra awful. Them allowing that content to stand up violates the whole spirit of a " safe space", they claim to be aiming for.