Weird way to say cop murders innocent person.
Cops are scared as anybody else and wanna go back to their homes without any consequence, watch fox news and beat their wife. They didn’t sign up to be inconvenienced. ohkaay?
-Right wing nuts
Murdering murderers murder. Again.
At this point calling the cops is just calling a hit in.
Literally, what calling in swat is known for.
And nothing will be done until someone that is high enough profile gets hit. And even then…
Helicopter video https://youtu.be/ryoeQpkQlA4 Go to 3 min. Warning death (but it does have the big black censor box).
It’s insane that they’re just opening fire, while innocent drivers are passing by on the opposite side of that highway.
You can see a bullet bounce off the barrier. (3:19)
Like WTF is wrong with your country that you allow your police force to just fire off their weapons in public like that?
None of those cops give a flying fuck about the general public in the background, and people are stunned that they killed the hostage they were supposed to be helping?
It’s insane that they’re just opening fire, while innocent drivers are passing by on the opposite side of that highway.
SOP. The only thing that matters to cops is that cops aren’t put at risk. Everyone else is entirely disposable. Here’s a hostage situation where the cops killed the suspects, the hostage and a bystander. The cops, of course, investigated themselves and found themselves to be entirely innocent. They have also refused to release the ballistics report from the investigation, in much the same way that the cops who murdered this girl investigated themselves and determined that she was in tactical gear and shooting at them. They then tried to bury the video that shows that those two statements were easily-disprovable lies.
Like WTF is wrong with your country that you allow your police force to just fire off their weapons in public like that?
If I were to just guess to the reason(s) US law enforcement is so inept, I’d say training and recruiting are a huge part.
Training: There’s apparently no universal training requirements for law enforcement officers. Many organizations and/or states have their own requirements, but there’s also situations where that is not the case.
The following is purely anecdotal, so make of it what you want. I’m sure it’s not universally applicable. In my social circles I have a few police officers, and one of them told me of an exchange program, where he had gone to somewhere in the south east of the US. On a ride along with a deputy, they talked about training prior to patrol duty. Said deputy claimed that they had had no prior training, but was hired on the basis of a high school diploma, a drivers license, and no history of drugs or criminal behavior. First day on the force the deputy had been equipped with uniform, badge, gun, and a patrol car, and a couple of hours later had been driving about town, uniformed, armed, and extreheeemely nervous. Training hadn’t begun until 6 months later, and in the meantime that deputy had been driving around, scared of getting flagged down by civilians, because he/she had no idea of what to do.
What kind of system allows you to drive around armed with both a gun and qualified immunity? (rhetorical question, we know what kind)
In the recruiting part: Turning down applicants for having an above average IQ https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836 does seem weird, unless you want mindless drones carrying out orders without reflection.
I think they believed it was the father running out. She was apparently wearing tactical gear.
She was out of the car and crouched down alone by the passengar door when one of the cops said “its her, shes out the passenger door” and yelled at her to walk towards them. Dispatch said the same thing at the same time. As shes walking (not running) clearly unarmed towards the cops as instructed, several other cops RIGHT NEXT TO THE ONE THAT TOLD HER TO WALK TO THEM shoot her several times and kill her.
There was controversy the same day about what happened to her. The sheriff’s department blamed her dead father, then refused to release this footage for 18 months, only doing so when sued by a journalist.
Youre giving these violent murderers way, way, way to much credit.
How do you know which officer is giving instructions, who they are near, and who heard it?
In the video, I see at least eight officers, at least 20m away from the vehicle in all directions.
Who was the one that shot her?
Is there another source you can reference explaining the details? Because there’s no way anyone could know based on the video and article.
That said, this is about as American as a police interaction can be.
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Facts matter. I’m not in the position to defend anyone, as it’s hard to know exactly what happened, even after watching the video several times.
What matters is the police killed the person they were trying to save.
When you’re in a situation where bullets are flying from both the “'good” and “bad” guy, innocent victims can, and do, get killed. This happens more often than you’d think, and there isn’t a perfect way to end a situation like this. Everyone’s life is at risk when you’ve got a murderer in a car not willing to surrender.
The narrative that all those officers, except for one, wanted the KIDNAP VICTIM to be shot and killed is so deranged and incomprehensible outside an American mindset.
Let’s not lose focus here. The father who kidnapped her is ultimately the one to blame. His actions led to her death.
Let’s not lose focus here. The father who kidnapped her is ultimately the one to blame. His actions led to her death.
This is a wild take. These cops (all of them present) are to blame for where the rounds from their firearms go.
The narrative that all those officers, except for one, wanted the KIDNAP VICTIM to be shot and killed is so deranged and incomprehensible outside an American mindset.
The idea that you have to have wanted something to happen to face consequences for it happening is going to set a lot of folks free from prison though.
the guy she was going towards knew it was her, and he was calling her.
it looks like someone else started the “she’s coming right for us” and then others joined in - but the original cop immediately shouted “stop its her” or something.
so seriously fucked up.
Sounds like none of them had or followed any sort of proper protocol, and they should all be kicked off the force, charged with murder, and never allowed to work as police ever again
Put on paid leave for a few months and then quietly transferred to another police station, you say?
Nah, they’ll be allowed to retire early due to PTSD and receive a pension and disability for the rest of their lives.
She was apparently wearing tactical gear.
still have yet to see any evidence this is true. doesn’t look like it from the video.
Quite literally in the article:
“Savannah was wearing tactical gear and a helmet as she walked toward a deputy, the Sheriff’s Department said.”
Maybe the father was using her as a decoy.
Cop statements aren’t evidence, they are cop statements. Should I link all the cases (Let’s start with Walter Scott) where what cops said was true wasn’t?
doesn’t look like it from the video.
Of course, you can’t trust everyone. There were like 50 people there, including EMTs who could vouch. The video we saw was highly compressed and censored, so it’s hard to see what she was wearing “at ground level”.
That said, this happened nearly two years ago. Original reports stated that she was wearing BODY ARMOR, and may have been a “participant” in shooting at the officers during the pursuit.
I’m not going to investigate this. It was tragic, and I hope justice is served to whomever it needs to be.
I hope justice is served to whomever it needs to be.
…but you’re pretty sure whomever that is, it’s not the cops.
I hope when you eventually realize police aren’t to be trusted it’s not that you dug in your heels all the way until you had a tragic encounter with them that actually affected you. That seems to be the threshold for a great many folks, and it’s a huge contributor to the slow progression of police reform.
Good day to you.
This should keep them up at night for the rest of their lives. But of course if they had any kind of empathy or conscience they wouldn’t be cops in the first place.
The Sheriff’s Department did not initially disclose exactly how Savannah or Mr. Graziano had been killed, and said at the time that it was possible that Savannah might have participated in the shooting.
Absolute cunts.
Only in America is “might have” enough reason to kill someone
She was the victim, unarmed and following orders. If she can be killed and no one held responsible then when are any of us safe from police violence?
Meanwhile in my neighborhood, cops called to kidnapping, find the woman later that evening.
No firearms discharged.
You should mention that you are not referring to American cops.
Why? Extra-judicial killing is wrong no matter what nation’s cops are involved.
That’s not newsworthy on Lemmy, it won’t make people hateful and divide them like this story will.
Police in my country don’t carry side arms which makes it far more difficult for them to murder people.
Though, that kidnapping incident apparently involve a firearm, so the police responding were armed, and still no one died.
Also, they tend to not get startled by noises, say like acorns falling, or if they do, don’t have a gun to fire in blind panic, and when they are armed, have the discipline to not empty the magazine like Rambo
You guys don’t even let your cops do a little brutality, as a treat?
They get their kicks from faking evidence and doubling down on wrongful convictions.
Well, it’s nice to give them SOME benefits for class treason.
Dunno where OP is from but in Europe they get their treats during riots, especially in France.
I think everyone here agrees. There is no devide. Buut if you say so we have to look at hundreds of hours of normal police body cam fotage now so we are allowed to criticize the government again.
as long as body cams can be turned off (and as seen are sometimes intentionally) or “accidently” can be low on battery and turn off before the things happen that they were meant to record in the first place, then there is a problem with “normal body cam fotage” as then “normal” simply does not even exist.
or said otherwise: what if you could record all your hundreds of visits to banks, then turn your body cam of, rob the bank and later get away with it, because you have footage showing / “prooving” that you were NOT a robber all the OTHER times ?
Yes, Lemmy is an echochamber that spreads a lot of divisive propaganda… maybe worth asking yourself why
Kidnapped person, in the wrong place at the wrong time, found fatally wounded by bullets that had moved at a fast rate of speed that originated from firearms that police happened to be holding at the time the gun powder started a chemical reaction that sent them flying out of the barrels.
