I have been playing Go with my friend (who has a Chess background) for a while now. We started on 19x19 boards but he found it really overwhelming and struggled. He wanted to switch to 9x9 and we have now played several 9x9 games.

These games are just for fun and I don’t think he has much intention of ever playing seriously, so it doesn’t really matter, but I feel like the skils developed playing 9x9 are really not all that applicable to a real game other than just basic life/death, some endgame stuff, etc.

I started on a full sized board, and I ran a successful club where we started beginners off on full sized boards, so I don’t really know how others do it. What do you think about starting beginners off on 9x9? When do you think they should transition to larger boards?

  • BoneALisa@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    9x9 keeps people from being overwhelmed. Its the size of a chess baord, so its familiar to those people, and easier for teaching someone the basic life and death stuff. There are so many extra things you have to worry about on a 19x19, that it can just be a huge barrier to all but the most serious beginners.

    Most importantly, it’s faster. 9x9 games can be played way faster than a 19x19. I can’t convince my friend to sit for 45min to an hour and a half while we play a 19x19, but a 10-15min 9x9 I can definitely pressure them into lol.

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    1 year ago

    When teaching fundamental classes, we would use 9x9 for those who just got introduced, easier to show life and death and simple local situations (even ladder doesn’t need to run far). And most simple tsumego can fit on 9x9 easy.

    But we would switch to 13x13 by the time of beginner’s class (30k) where more concepts can be easier introduced and understand it is not just about fighting but positions, and then 15x15 to more “advanced” starter classes (starting kyu 初級, about tdk 21kyu to 25kyu) for practice which whole board situations would start to make sense. And finally switch to 19x19 when they are about ddk (16k to 20k).

    Mind you thought this is for kids’ Go class, not for adults. There is something can be said about teaching adults starting from a larger board, like 13x13. Or just starting from one corner (one quarter) of the 19x19 board, without switching to different boards. And they would get a more intuitive concept of local and whole board positions (like they are playing four 9x9 games on a 19x19, just open toward the center, and you don’t have to win them all to win a game, losing a battle can still win you a war)

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    1 year ago

    I think people should play 9x9 and 13x13 for a while. There’s less stuff to keep track of so it makes it easier to build an intuition for the game. Plus you can play more games - if a game is played many moves after someone is winning on 19x19 that probably has limited educational value, and this may happen with less experienced players as they hope for the other player to make a mistake. (Which often happens, but they may not be able to recognize it as such due to the board size.)

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    1 year ago

    I’ve started feeling like playing on 9x9 boards and even playing handicap games can be a bit of a roadblock to learning too. There’s obviously stuff that’s applicable in both cases, and the speed of 9x9 games is super appealing… But it’s different enough that it’s hard to jump from 9x9 to 19x19 in the first place without more direction. And handicap games give you a fairly artificial board at the start, but I think more importantly it adds a bit of noise to the game right away which makes it harder to see patterns?

    I’m a pretty mediocre Go player, though, so take what I have with a grain of salt. Sometimes I wonder if I could get better much faster by playing bots or much stronger players too… I think when you’re learning and playing against weaker opponents it’s easier for you to get away with bad habits because they’ll never be punished… But Go is pretty hard for people to get started with in the first place, and getting crushed isn’t always very fun (and often not even enlightening), haha.

  • SparrowCamaro@vlemmy.net
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    1 year ago

    The skills developed on 9x9 are VERY applicable to a real game. I have been playing for 3 years and I still study life/death and endgame. I played only 9x9 until I reached 18 kyu on OGS. And then from 18kyu ask the way to 12 Kyu, I dominated in the corners but I had to learn the big board concepts during that time. Nothing wrong with doing it this way.