Emergency services are like the absolute worst dog shit resource for mental health issues. 99% of the time they just make shit worse, I had to learn this the hard way.
It actually makes me mad that so many people suggest it as what you “should” do if someone is in crisis because it’s just not made for that. Do not call 911 if you are having a panic attack or SI or even self harming in a non SI way, they will do nothing to help you and it will just cost a fuck load. Like you said the only time it makes sense is if you are actually dying from an attempt. Even MH practitioners say to call 911 when they should know better. I am glad your place seems to know what’s up because so many people get the wrong advice on this issue and it actively hurts people. Maybe if the healthcare and police system were different going to the emergency room or calling 911 might be a good idea, but how they are now its just not.
The group that handles 988, the suicide line, is called Vibrant and they’re working with 911 dispatchers all over the country to train them to transfer over to 988 if there’s any situation like that instead of handling it themselves.
Firstly, this varies by region. Most people don’t live in the US, including me.
Secondly, you’re right in that it will be an unpleasant experience for most patients, but the vast majority of patients will survive the episode. Which is the point.
I understand that in many cases including yours it’s a bad outcome.
However, in some cases where someone is intent on harming themselves and there are no other options at least EMS can prevent the worst possible outcome.
Besides which, for the nth time, this seems to be an American thing.
In many countries calling EMS or police for someone having a mental health crisis is perfectly reasonable.
So American suffering doesn’t matter and we shouldn’t talk about it because another European wants to talk about how much better they are than Americans again. This thread is specifically about the American healthcare system, the meme specifically calls out the American healthcare system, you don’t need to center yourself in every conversation that isn’t about you. Sincerely dude, fuck off.
This so much…
Emergency services are like the absolute worst dog shit resource for mental health issues. 99% of the time they just make shit worse, I had to learn this the hard way.
It actually makes me mad that so many people suggest it as what you “should” do if someone is in crisis because it’s just not made for that. Do not call 911 if you are having a panic attack or SI or even self harming in a non SI way, they will do nothing to help you and it will just cost a fuck load. Like you said the only time it makes sense is if you are actually dying from an attempt. Even MH practitioners say to call 911 when they should know better. I am glad your place seems to know what’s up because so many people get the wrong advice on this issue and it actively hurts people. Maybe if the healthcare and police system were different going to the emergency room or calling 911 might be a good idea, but how they are now its just not.
The “wellness checks” are way too often murders. I would never call the cops to check in on someone because they’ll likely shoot them
About three weeks ago, my coworker’s brother was shot by police responding to a wellness check. It’s fucked.
The group that handles 988, the suicide line, is called Vibrant and they’re working with 911 dispatchers all over the country to train them to transfer over to 988 if there’s any situation like that instead of handling it themselves.
Firstly, this varies by region. Most people don’t live in the US, including me.
Secondly, you’re right in that it will be an unpleasant experience for most patients, but the vast majority of patients will survive the episode. Which is the point.
In the US, surviving the episode and immediatly going into medical debt is why the second attempt happens with them not reaching out to anyone.
Hyperbolic.
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You seem to have misunderstood me.
I understand that in many cases including yours it’s a bad outcome.
However, in some cases where someone is intent on harming themselves and there are no other options at least EMS can prevent the worst possible outcome.
Besides which, for the nth time, this seems to be an American thing.
In many countries calling EMS or police for someone having a mental health crisis is perfectly reasonable.
So American suffering doesn’t matter and we shouldn’t talk about it because another European wants to talk about how much better they are than Americans again. This thread is specifically about the American healthcare system, the meme specifically calls out the American healthcare system, you don’t need to center yourself in every conversation that isn’t about you. Sincerely dude, fuck off.
Gatekeetping, projection, vitriol. I don’t think I can reason with you. You might want to get that looked at.
nice any sort of push back you fall into ableism as well … I think I got you pegged pretty well