A bill to alter the constitution and enable the Indigenous voice has passed the federal parliament ahead of Australia’s first referendum in 24 years to be held later in 2023.
The Senate passed the bill on Monday 52 votes to 19, confirming the wording of the constitutional change to be put to the Australian people. The draft legislation passed the lower house last month.
No I didn’t ? I specifically called out that this exists in modern Australian society? I provided examples of indigenous issues so you couldn’t accuse me of making this out of whole cloth.
I don’t think every aboriginal community will have these issues. I think it’s a bad idea to have multiple (hundreds of) smaller governments where these issues could pop up. Every Australian deserves the same and the best rights we can give them. Our job isn’t done in that regard and it would be a backward step to allow small communities to “decide for themselves” in these regards.
Who is “we”? What do you mean by “our job”? You deny my suggestion of a white saviour attitude yet it is persistent in every reply you make.
Dear god your reading comprehension is terrible.
Society, everyone, progressives, anyone who agrees everyone was created equal and deserves equal respect, anyone who agrees the system is still fucked and we can and should change it for the better.
Improving the system to improve the rights, respect and outcomes for everyone.
We only just legalised gay marriage and homosexuality was still illegal in some places in Australia under 25 years ago. There is still plenty of discrimination going on in this place that needs sorting out.
Stop trying to play the white saviour card. It’s bullshit. I fully acknowledge the British invaders where shit to the First Nations and committed genocide. It’s been a shit time for the original inhabitants for the first two hundred plus years of colonisation. No white saviour going on there. But now we have an option to decide what we can do to make the world a better place and it’s not to set up hundreds of semi-sovereign enclaves that will turn out shit for the marginalised individuals in them.
But why do you even assume this will happen? You can deny as much as you want but every single comment you make has the same underlying theme: you don’t believe Indigenous Australians can be trusted to run their own communities and affairs.
I believe the civility of this conversation is coming to an end. Both of you are entitled to your opinions. Neither of you seem to be convinced by the other, this I believe it is time to agree to disagree. I recommend that this conversation end here.
@billstickers@aussie.zone, @Ilandar@aussie.zone.
I will give you both the benefit of the doubt, please read the above message.
Thanks. I hadn’t seen your message, but I did come to the same conclusion. I do honestly want to have my mind changed. It seems to be the progressive stance, but I cant see any upside and there is plenty of downside.
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Correction. I don’t believe anyone can be trusted to run their own affairs. And I’ve explained why. The best we can do is group together and try and make the world a better place.
Why do you think it would be a good idea? And do you think that marginalised groups losing rights and equality is an acceptable trade off ?
Whether I think it’s a “good” idea doesn’t matter. Indigenous Australians had sovereignty over the land and their lives. White people arrived and took that away by force. This is fact. I believe rights should be restored (not given) and that any assistance from the state should be on terms dictated by the victim rather than the perpetrator. Anything less than this is unacceptable.
Indigenous Australians are a marginalised group. As for your insinuation that “scary black man is going to stone all the gays” - do and be better.
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