This comes to us courtesy of @misnina@crystals.rest. As a technical person I sometimes find it difficult to communicate with my friends about the value proposition of Lemmy and other federated platforms.
The reality is 99.9% of people are going to instantly tune out the moment they hear “federation”, “decentralized”, or “self-hosted”. These things all existed before the centralized social media hellscape we have today, but those centralized platforms gained dominance because they were able to package their value into a simple pitch: “Your one-stop shop for social!”
Another good example of this is comparing the current state of the official Lemmy website to the official Mastodon website.
Mastodon spends the first 2 page scrolls offering you a visual explanation of what their platform offers, a cohesive and familiar social experience. It’s not until you get 1/3 into the page that you see the words “open source”, and the word “federation” doesn’t even appear in the main copy, it’s used in a user testimonial towards the bottom of the site.
Lemmy’s site on the other hand has an okay paragraph of copy about it’s value proposition, but then spends the first two image tiles and blurbs showing and talking about its source code and infrastructure, with only the third referencing moderator tools.
The following section talks about self-hosting and the fediverse, with only a brief mention to the core value proposition. I could go on about the remainder of the site but by this point it’s likely that the majority of users who weren’t already seeking this and/or are technically inclined have left.
Communicating the value of these things is difficult and something we’re going to need to focus on improving both as platform providers and as users of that platform. That’s why I’m so enamored with this video from Nina. It is quick and to the point, it only communicates what needs to be said for anyone to understand the value prop, and it does so in a way that doesn’t invoke any of the exclusive terminology.
Thank you for coming to my TED Talk rant.
IMO, for the average user, leading with anything about self-hosting is just asking for trouble. The basic pitch should be “Go to Lemmy.world. Sign Up. Search for communities and join them.”
You can replace Lemmy.world with the instance of your choice, of course, but even asking people to choose a server is enough of a deterrent that you’ll lose casuals. Now, maybe that’s a good thing, but that’s a different argument.
If you encourage people to look into self-hosting, or imply that it’s required, they’ll run the other way as soon as they look into the details.Yep, the simpler the pitch, the better. Lemmy gets caught up in the tech chat because federation is a cool technical detail, but casual people just want a community. Let them learn about the tech after they are set up with an account and place to interact with others.
Genuine question: what happens if the instance you sign up with goes rogue or offline? Is your account tied to that instance or is it transferrable?
Accounts are per instance. The content that was shared to other federated instances would remain visible, though.
Agreed, specially on the part about sending them to a specific server, the normal user doesn’t want to read or learn, it’s easier to send them to a sever we think they might like but I think it’s still too early for normal users when we think about discovering new communities or subscribing to ones in a different instance.
I agree with your point about the difference between the lemmy and mastodon websites; lemmy could do a significantly better job attracting more users if it changed the welcome page to make the more familiar features clearer.
At the end of the day, federation isn’t the important part here IMO. Lemmy is still a social media platform, and social media rides or dies on engagement. Without users, there isn’t engagement. I know that tiny communities can exist for years just fine online, and that lemmy did so with a very small user base. But, if people on here seriously want a true alternative to other social media, that alternative needs to show that it has enough engagement to keep people coming back.
To me it’s much more important to show prospective users that the tools for engaging with the sited platform are familiar and easy to use, than it is to dive into the details of how federation works. The average user simply won’t care about federation unless it directly affects them.
And frankly, those old internet forums went out of style for a good reason. It was annoying to have 10 accounts to keep track of on 10 different social media sites. I don’t think anyone today would say that signing up or distinct forums that fo us on topics you care about is a true alternative to big social media like reddit. The way lemmy talks about itself right now makes it seem like you’re back on the old forum system, when the whole point of federation is exactly the opposite of that! This FIXES the “you need 10 accounts” problem for the most part. At the end of the day, people want to know that a thing is easy to use and understand, and that other people with similar interests are using it.
You’re assuming that everyone here wants a 1:1 alternative to corporate social media, that works exactly like big social media did. Part of it is that zetaphor phrased his title as a pitch, I don’t blame him, but this video is just how I feel about lemmy and what excites me. I loved old internet forums. I hate that websites are trying to be your one stop shop for everything you could think of instead of focusing on a few things well. I don’t want to have a huge website with multi-layers of mods and administrations, instead of just talking frankly with my favorite site’s owner. I, and many others, went to the fediverse to get away from ‘true’ social media.
Even the concept that lemmy has to do something or it’s “ride or die”, I think is flawed. Lemmy as a whole will never become a “true” social media alternative, because the only way to do that is to make lemmy.ml a central corporate website, and that’s antithetical to what the fediverse was made for. The fediverse existed before musk took over twitter, it existed before reddit shit the bed, and it was about the strength of smaller communities that can talk to each other. If you would like your large instances to become centralized hubs that attract more drama and power struggles, more power to you, but that doesn’t change that the purpose of the fediverse is that I can run my little community on my own terms while still being able to connect with other communities.
My video is about the Fediverse, not New Reddit.
