We're allowing non-IRL loli/shota - Lemmy NSFW
lemmynsfw.com
When I opened this site 5 days ago, I could not have guessed that I would post such a post. But here we are. As you know, we did a poll on this topic here [https://lemmynsfw.com/post/26029]. Around 40% of people said to block, the rest said to not to. In such cases, we wanted to make the poll, even though it doesn’t matter. Right now, I’m still currently agreeing with @bobbiguy2122 [https://lemmynsfw.com/u/bobbiguy2122] here [https://lemmynsfw.com/comment/82152]. We are going to let community moderators handle the situation in within limits. So it’s going to be users choice to subscribe to that community or creating new one with his own rules. #### Why not completely block it If we are going to split, there is so many fractions as well. As someone who only likes women and plain porn, I don’t want to ban tentacle, futanari or gay stuff. Because even though they are kinky, they are also a pleasure. Being attracted to petite teens is just like these pleasures, and the vast majority actually like it. I think we should not ban this pleasure just because it is in a dangerous area. #### As a result First of all we will explicitly ban IRL loli images. Although we will allow non-IRL content under moderator control, tho we will control childish content independently of moderators too. We will make this distinction according to images that look and act like children. #### Defederation I see a lot of people are worried about this situation. But I don’t care. Because as you can see, beehaw, one of the largest instances, blocked the other 2 largest instances. This situation is inevitable in NSFW only instances like us. As a result, you must have one main account, where you can access all instances, and one NSFW account, where you can only access NSFW content. For example, I don’t plan to block any instances on this instance, except in extreme cases.

SEE SECOND EDIT DOWN BELOW

Lets not beat around the bush here, lots of people like to look at boobs and dicks.

Lemmynsfw was looking like a good place to go, but reading the “Loli” announcement thread where they equate drawn child porn to petite women, its clear the owner is not the right person to be hosting a NSFW instance for the majority of people.

Is there anywhere else that people can recommend?

There is undoubtably a need for such an instance. Can we discuss this like adults?

edit: UPDATE

Take this update as you will

I’m taking it as a backtrack, but it’s still not an instance I want to associate with.

Lots of people keen to offer their opinion of drawn picture of naked kids, haven’t seen any alternatives though

Edit 2: At this point I think their updated rules are good. It took a bit to get there, but in the end they appear to be taking a hard stance. Hopefully this is enforced.

I dont think it was a case of “whoops bad English” like they are suggesting, I think it was a total 180 backflip. This doesnt really instill confidence in the admins IMO, but im happy that they have made the right decision in regards to allowed content. Hopefully this is was just some early wobblies and the community can move on.

  • Roland the Farter@sopuli.xyz
    01·
    1 year ago

    Personally I would support defederating from such a service. These are not merely a preference of content, but rather things that have actual harm to actual people.

    Agreed. Could you further clarify you stance above then, about kbin being federated all other instances?

    “federated” and “public to everyone by default” are two entirely different things.

    Yeah, I’m pretty new here it probably shows. I’m aware it isn’t exactly like that and I didn’t know at the moment (and still don’t) how to put my thoughts into words.

    Keep in mind that legality of nsfw content varies wildly per region.

    I can appreciate avoiding the law for what could be described as “socially just” reasons. I just think that opening with that may unintentionally include harmful subjects, such as the ones you have listed above.

    • Otome-chan@kbin.social
      2·
      1 year ago

      Agreed. Could you further clarify you stance above then, about kbin being federated all other instances?

      Sure. I’m speaking in terms of content, culture, beliefs. by default, kbin should not defederate. Defederation is a severe action that should only be taken in extreme circumstances, such as extremely illegal things, or those which can directly lead to harm. For example, I’d be okay with defederating from an instance that’s used to organize human trafficking. In an ideal I think that ultimately speech harms no one. drawings harm no one, and should be allowed in all cases; but it’s understandable that such things may be illegal (in which case defederation is obviously needed to comply with law). In certain situations platforms may/can be used to cause real world harm, such as nonconsensual pornography, human trafficking, etc. in these cases, defederating I’d support to reduce the harm done to the real people effected. These aren’t a matter of “oh no they offended me” but rather “perpetuating this content actively harms the subject”.

      Loli/Shota drawn artwork are drawings first and foremost, let’s not forget that. They do not harm anyone and cannot harm anyone. In this sense, they should be allowed unless the law dictates otherwise.

      When I say “kbin should be federated with all other instance” I mean: if I’m on kbin and wish to see certain content, or talk with certain people, I shouldn’t have to worry about admins being offended or disgusted by such topics. The case of nonconsensual pornography is not a topic or genre it is not a form of speech it’s a violation of consent. You can get identical content with proper consent. In that regard, cutting off such instances does not prevent people from enjoying the content they wish and speaking to those they wish.

      I can appreciate avoiding the law for what could be described as “socially just” reasons. I just think that opening with that may unintentionally include harmful subjects, such as the ones you have listed above.

      In practice, ethics and morality can often clash with the law. For instance, I think piracy is morally right and just, yet it is obviously illegal. In this case, while I would appreciate and support federation with instances that allow blatant piracy, it’s understandable why defederation might be needed in that case. Similarly the reverse is true, some blatantly heinous content may be legal in certain areas (such as the scenario presented about nonconsensual pornography), in this case I do support going further than the law to protect the victims.

      There’s a difference between discussing murder, and planning murder. There’s a difference between enjoying fictional murder scenarios, and allowing the sharing of photographs of your murder victims. Hopefully you can understand this?