The instance seems to be mostly right wing trolls. I know defederating is unpopular but I don’t think much is to be lost in this case and it can save the mods some headaches.

Edit: the response on exploding-heads.com to my reporting of transphobia. Courtesy of the “second in command”

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    Yes, very few people who have gotten surgery historically expressed regret. Though you need to be careful when looking at numbers like that, because many of those studies were done prior to 2015, back when more caution and care was in place for the medical treatment process. Nowadays that is not the case, and so such a study no longer applies.

    When people who actually need the care get it, yes, it’s beneficial and rarely harmful. But when people who don’t need the care get it? it ruins lives.

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        Well no. It’s a meta-study, so it’s pulling in data from older studies. If you look at the stuff they’re using much of it is from pre-2015. Example: Cohen-Kettenis et al, 1997. Or Blanchard et al, 1989.

        Likewise, with newer studies, it’ll likely be covering all transition cases, which doesn’t really help give insight as to whether the surgery is helping for a particular demographic, only whether the current prescription approach is working overall.

        Fortunately, the study shows the causes of regret that the patients cited. So let’s look, yeah? Here’s some reasons from pre-2015 studies:

        8 patients felt disappointed with physical or functional outcomes of surgery (lost clitoris sensation)

        1 patient after surgery she realized she did not want to live as a woman. 1 never wished for the surgery (forced by the partner)

        2 patients lost the partner and had social problems

        Mostly it’s either about poor surgical results, or societal acceptance. A few were misdiagnosed.

        And for post-2015:

        7 patients had true regret (though that the surgery was the solution)

        Body does not meet the feminine ideal

        Didn’t want to wait genital electrolysis prior vaginoplasty

        Mostly they are due to rushing into things, misdiagnosis, improper treatment for the issue, etc.

        I imagine many more of these “true regret” and “rushed into it” along with “didn’t do what I wanted” regrets will happen.

        The reality is that regret is predictable. We know quite well what causes people to regret and detransition. It’s not a mystery. We know that misdiagnosis, improper medical treatment, people rushing into things, and giving people false expectations are what lead to regret and inevitably detransition.

        What are the things that beehaw and other lgbtqia groups are doing? pushing misdiagnosis, improper medical treatment, having people rush into things, and giving people false expectations.

        I’m guessing that when you categorize by biological status/situation you get a near 100% regret rate for non-transsexul/non-transvestite. probably a significant regret rate for transvestites. and a near nonexistent regret rate for transsexuals.

        We’re getting off track though. again my point here isn’t to debate the trans topic, but to show that different people see different things as “harmful”.

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          Your do realize that people can “rush into things” against their therapist’s opinion as well, correct? Decide “obviously this is the solution, time to book a surgeon. Oh, well, I can’t afford that good one, so I’ll go to this other one over here” all the while the therapist is trying to say "wait! We’re no where near getting to a diagnosis!”

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            Yeah. and these sorts of transgender/lgbtqia communities like on beehaw pretty much encourage that.

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              I literally saw none of that - not just from the post you linked, but elsewhere. Do you have a link actually encouraging that?